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ForeignPolicy

Will the Last Superpower Recognize In Time What We Must Do to Save the Planet?

By David Korten, YES! Magazine. Posted June 27, 2008.


In a time when the old order is shattering, a global movement is emerging to challenge the use of war as a tool of statecraft.
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Cheap oil provided an energy subsidy that defined the wars, economies, settlements, values, and lifestyles of the 20th century. The result was a century of wasteful extravagance and inefficiency that encouraged us to squander virtually all Earth's resources -- including water, land, forests, fisheries, soils, minerals, and natural waste recycling capacity. We are now waking up to the morning-after consequences of a brief but raucous party. These include depleted natural systems, unsustainable economies, an obsolete physical infrastructure, and a six-fold increase in the human population dependent on the diminished resources of a finite planet.

Cheap oil also fueled a zero sum global competition for access to resources -- particularly cheap oil -- and for the military superiority required to secure that access. The United States combined the global projection of military power with the global projection of economic and cultural power to achieve unchallenged global dominance as the sole reigning superpower.

Cheap oil is no more and the global projection of military and economic power it made possible is no longer viable. In May 2008 the price of oil hit a new high of $135 a barrel in contrast to the historic inflation adjusted price of $27.00. We are only beginning to awake as a nation to the reality that our reign as a global superpower is coming to an abrupt end. (See the summer 2008 issue of YES! Magazine.) If we hold to business as usual, we will exhaust what remains of our power and credibility in a bloody and violent no win-competition to consume the last tree, fish, drop of oil, drink of potable water, and breath of clean air -- sealing our own fate as well as that of our species.

A Defining Challenge

According to the scientific consensus, to avoid driving Earth's system of climate regulation into irrevocable collapse we humans must achieve at least an 80 percent reduction in global greenhouse gas emissions no later than 2050 and possibly sooner. Less noted is the corresponding imperative that to avoid irrevocable social collapse, we must simultaneously achieve an equitable allocation of allowable emissions to meet the essential needs of every person on the planet.
This presents a particular challenge for the United States. As the world's leading producer of green house gases, our emissions reduction must be closer to 90 percent.

There is no place in this equation for war or the global projection of military power. Beyond the fact that military planes, ships, and vehicles are gluttonous consumers of oil, the central activity of warfare is to kill and maim people and destroy critical infrastructure to impair capacity for normal life. The collateral damage includes massive scale toxic and radioactive environmental contamination that renders growing portions of our crowded planet uninhabitable. The more we humans war the more certain our ultimate collective demise.

The Last Superpower

The United States is well positioned to take the lead among nations in renouncing war as an instrument of national policy and dismantling the means of conducting war. We account for roughly half of world military expenditures and our military expenditures account for more than half of the U.S. federal discretionary budget to the neglect of major education, health, infrastructure, and environmental needs.

Yet the only military threat to our domestic security is from a handful of terrorists armed with box cutters and a willingness to die for their cause. We face a greater danger from our own children brandishing guns in our schools than from any opposing army. If a band of terrorists were to attack us with an atomic weapon, it would likely be delivered in a suitcase or packing crate. Such threats share in common the simple fact that even the mightiest military force in the world offers no protection. The solutions depend more on strengthening our families and communities, than on increasing military budgets.


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David Korten is co-founder and board chair of the Positive Futures Network, which publishes YES! Magazine.



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Double the fun!
Posted by: carbon-based on Jun 27, 2008 3:54 AM   
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ok, which one do we read? BTW, couldn't get into the Imus article the other day..seems the link was bad and never corrected.

Web guy!!!!!!

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Great Ideas ... Profound Vision ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Jun 28, 2008 2:19 AM   
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But it won't happen anytime soon.

In case you didn't notice the Congress, controlled by Democrats, just passed a Bill that all but pays for the beginning of the Iran War. When was the last time there was a serious attempt to cut the Defense Budget? Hell, even Maxine Waters and George Miller got in on the pile on with extra subsidies for their local defense related companies.

The oncoming crises will offer excellent opportunities for changing the direction of America but do you really think the American Public is up to the challenge? Do you think the Democrats will embrace your ideas?

Get ready for the Shock Doctrine as applied to America. The powers that be will not be going out peacefully.

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VERY clearly apparent over the Bush presidencies that the USA is not open to rational ideas and hone
Posted by: Squarehead on Jun 28, 2008 4:26 AM   
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"The Last Superpower

The United States is well positioned to take the lead among nations in renouncing war as an instrument of national policy and dismantling the means of conducting war. We account for roughly half of world military expenditures and our military expenditures account for more than half of the U.S. federal discretionary budget to the neglect of major education, health, infrastructure, and environmental needs."


It has become VERY clearly apparent over the Bush presidencies that the USA is not open to rational ideas and honest implementation of policies which accord equality to other nations. Fortunately, at the same time, it has become apparent that USA's time as a superpower is nearly over, bankrupted by your own financial and industrial ruling class.

The 20th century was 'the American Century' (say 1917 to 2015, historical periods don't correspond completely with the calendar). There is not going to be a successful outcome to PNAC. So there is a bright side to everything.

Roll on the new dispensation, a quadra headed power relationship, of China, India, Europe & USA (in approx that order of economic and political power)

Meanwhile in the quagmire that is your conflict with the Arab- Muslim world, you are LOSING.

Both Afghanistan & Iraq were, militarily, won within a few months. The dishonesty and incompetence of your administration (also read as ruling class- elites) has now thrown away victory, presumably because of a complete lack of understanding as to what was necessary. Game theory. Look it up. A Marshall Aid style plan would very possibly have delivered peace and prosperity, both to Iraq & Afghanistan, and to USA (And probably at least a few years of PNAC)

Now, a few thousand insurgents (less than 30,000?) have beaten the US Army to a standstill. Amazing, and instructive. All this military materiel is a complete waste of money; it can be beaten by IEDs and resolute resistance. BTW, most of the insurgents are not the lunatic bigots of Al Quaeda, they are Baathists, ex soldiers, al Sadr's militia, various secularists.

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Otto .
Posted by: otto on Jun 28, 2008 5:22 AM   
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Fantastic article, full of insights...and I especially liked the image of the "20th century wild binge party". Also, it was neatly summarized in the first paragraph or two.

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We are not addicted to oil, but a pattern of development
Posted by: practical idealist on Jun 28, 2008 6:43 AM   
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that is unsustainable: urban sprawl. Check out Sustainable cities sustainable democracy on the internet.

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What is their real goal
Posted by: daw13 on Jun 28, 2008 7:26 AM   
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If it's to rule the world, as this author suggests, their behavior is irrational. If it's to create a facade for the construction of the police state needed to rule this nation when the shit totally hits the fan, as it surely will -- their behavior seems quite rational. If it's to contribute a the creation of a global Orwellian confederation of ruling classes, of which they will play NOT the dominant role, all committed to protecting themselves at the expense of the rest of us as economies crater, their behavior is no less rational than that of the other oligarchies involved.

When we the non-elite citizens of the world view THEM as narrowly greedy, opportunistic, ruthless rather than quite visionary and programmatic in pursuit of THEIR terrible goals, then we are behaving irrationally. This article makes some good observations, but utterly misses the big picture and contributes to mis-direction.

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Knowing and Doing are Two Different Things
Posted by: nfamous on Jun 28, 2008 8:03 AM   
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There is a huge difference between knowing that to do and having the will to do it. America knows what to do but our leaders just don't care because they are getting paid by corporations to ignore our concerns. Once a government is corrupted by corporations under capitalism there is no way to fix it except violent revolution because the entire process is own and manipulated to ensure its continuation via the media and unjust laws. Americans are far too cowardly to resort to physical violence so we will continue to worry only about ourselves hoping to ride this out. It ain't gonna happen this time.

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» downside of violent revolution Posted by: Tom Tele
80% by 2050?? Uh huh......
Posted by: civilsociety on Jun 28, 2008 8:28 AM   
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"An 80% reduction in carbon emissions sounds wonderful! I agree! Let's do it! How do we get started?

If we really want to change, let's start by saying what an 80% reduction in emissions actually means instead of being abstract about it. An 80% reduction in carbon emissions is not possible without a TOTAL and FUNDAMENTAL reorganization of our society and the infrastructure that underpins it. All of it.

80% is not everyone giving up their SUV for a hybrid vehicle. Its more like half of us giving up our vehicle altogether and the other half driving 75% less than they do now.

80% is not going to the farmer's market on summer weekends. Its more like giving up the transportation networks that provide us with fresh apples and strawberries in the winter. Its going back to a world where we eat what is in season and only those things that are produced somewhere nearby where we live. Bye-bye Washington apples! Bye-bye California strawberries!

80% is giving up our daily feast of fresh meats and moving toward a more vegetable-oriented diet that requires less industrial power to support.

80% is giving up air travel. Period.

80% is turning off the TV, game consoles, dishwashers, washing machines, cellphones, and all of the power consuming devices that make our lives what they are.

80% is consuming less, MUCH LESS, of every single thing we take for granted today. Less clothes, less shopping, less food, less soap, less water, less plastic, less gasoline, less electricity, less heat, less air conditioning, less empty space, less entertainment, less driving, less, less, less of everything.

80% means we cannot have 4000 square foot homes with vaulted ceilings and walls of windows for families of 4 people.

80% means a world so much different from this one, that we would not recognize it.

And that is where the crux of the problem really is. We need to change our BEHAVIOR, not only our technology. And the government will never advocate that kind of change. The people will not vote for it and society-at-large will not support it.

I am reminded of a radio interview I heard. Some country musician was bragging that she was taking action to tackle global warming. She was switching from her gas-powered Ford Expedition to one that burns bio-diesel. What an amazing sacrifice! She was not driving less or driving smaller. Just burning fry grease instead of gas. That is not 80%, not even close.

Do I think a world with less would be a bad one? I don't. But we better figure out how to get there fast because the one thing we have less and less of each day is time...

How can a 35-40% increase in CO2 over the last 150 years not be driving something? The kinds of natural cycles which exist all have periods of tens of thousands of years, not decades or centuries, and they simply can't account for the current observed (rapid) rate of temperature change."(this part compliments of another poster on another blog, it just succinctly summarized what I espouse, and hints tat he tip of the iceberg) Now for my addition.

Thinking our government is prepared to take on the challenge and provide the kinds of steps to lead their people into an 80% decreased imprint is folly. They are the ones with the big guns, the private mobilized mercenary force, the money, the courts, the endless hearings into perpetuity that get us no closer to resolution. Look to Katrina for the style of leadership that has become the MO for our government. Disasters the likes of Katrina and ones we are seeing in the Midwest due to climate change are still being debated as to their link to our fossil fuel indulgences.

PLEASE SEE PART 2 NEXT POST

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80% by 2050?? Uh huh...... Part 2
Posted by: civilsociety on Jun 28, 2008 8:29 AM   
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And where is the money for reconstruction going to come from while the government continues to spend it on the military complex? Cmon,folks, make some calls to congressional offices daily and see what kind of canned responses we are getting. This isn't DIALOGUE.


As for the majority of the multitudes doing much to stand up to the empire I really hate to point out to David Korten but his own backyard is likely one of the most conspicious models of "wasteful extravagance" that helped get us here in the first place and continues to exemplify the lack of knowledge and application as to what 80% by 2050 might mean. How do I know? I lived there for 20 years. Bainbridge Island is barely the beacon of frugality. No more than where I am now. Palm Beach.

So everyone is waiting for the messiah to provide the "great turning" to a more positive embrace of the cosmos. It's not going to happen. The bottom will have been visited by the time it finally turns round and it will have more to do with pain and suffering than it will with some cooperative venture based on a great awakening. Sure, some will dabble in concern for others (people like myself) but fooling yourself and others into believing that the erudite philosophies of mankinds benevolence towards others is what will do it is just plain ignorance of reality. Getting out amongst the masses should give one that much unless one is isolated from the world.

Am I a pessimist? Nope, I am fighting every breath I take from the local level all the way up when and how I can every day. Do I practice what I preach? Damn, right. But I know from experience that the time is already upon us and the consequences of our actions are already underway. Folie simultaneee seems to be the diagnosis. No one seems to have the cure.

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» Absolutely right Posted by: ebishirl
» Best book on the subject Posted by: civilsociety
Will The Last Superpower
Posted by: bobtr900 on Jun 28, 2008 9:23 AM   
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If the last superpower is the USA and if it is under control of the Repubs and their right wing religions, and their fascist businesses may not do what is necessary to save the planet.

As far as I can tell those three entities, Repubs, Right wing Religions and the right wing Fascist businesses are all totally bent on getting their own way and if they do not they are going to take their marbles and go home. They DO NOT want to play the game of 'us' and 'we'. The only game they will play is the game of 'me' and 'I'; and to hell with everybody else.

Dubya is a Sociopath and Megalomaniac with Messianic undertones ridden throughout his personality. The entire Bush Family of selfish criminals is the same way,

To them and all the rest of the Rethugs this entire world is an us against everyone else mindset.

Thats why it is so natural that Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Gonzales, Yoo, Rove and their ilk found each other and so easily fit together. These are all Unitary Executive people of are convinced that if Bush is not the UE then each one of them should be or the world will destroy them. And in a sense they are correct given the way they look at the world as being a place full of people who do not think like themand about that they are correct.

The State of Texas spawns such thinking.

The Catholic Church, my religion, is totally convinced that it is the one true religion and all other religions must be stopped. There is only room in this world for one religion, the Catholic religion.

The evangelical fundies, not all evangelicals, are the same way in that their religion is so similarly overwrought, that it has only a single unitary view of the world and all other religions. These two religions have been at odds in the past and will be at odds once again.

This temporary union of these two extremist religions by the Repub party and under the sign of the Repub party will not last forever and it is only a matter of time before they are both at each others throats once again. Just as the Repub party is always at the throats of the entire world and of the 240 million Americans who did not vote for Bush and the Repubs.

And of course the ultimate driving force of greed and selfishness is the American Fascist businesses who like the WASPish Southerners always think they are the victims of others who are perpetrating economic sanctions and destructions upon them.

Try to tell them slavery is wrong and all they can think of is their own economic survival, or the lack thereof. Try to tell them defective products that harm Americans have to be stopped and all they think of is their own economic survival. Try to tell them that unsafe mines are killing miners and all they can think of is their own economic survival and anything that lessens profits is striking at the very existence of their economic/personal survival. Try to tell them that worker safety or customer safety is and must be a part of their mission/agenda and it is the same thing to them as saying someone is going to destroy them personally and they will fight it at all costs.

Ethics do not exist in the business world, only in so far as they are forced to engage in and show them for popular consumption their ethics are only a matter of lip service.

Everything in the business world is couched in only one thing, their economic survival, and ultimately, nothing else matters.

All of the aforementioned suffer from a victim complex. They all think everyone is out to get them and terminate them. When in reality it is they who are of this mindset and just project their predatory mindset onto others. They all think everything must be their way or not at all. They can never find any middle ground, they think there is no such thing. They all think that middle ground will consume them like quick sand.

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Save the planet?
Posted by: pacto on Jun 28, 2008 9:32 AM   
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as usual the emphasis is wrong. the PLANET will continue to BE, but Man will be extinct.

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Hopi Prophecy
Posted by: Gravitas on Jun 28, 2008 10:08 AM   
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Unfortunately it probably won't happen. Because those in power today only care about maintaining it for themselves and maximizing their profit. It dawned on me the other day that the reason all the world's problems, from famine to pollution, have not been solved because the system it not set up that way. The system is set up to protect the interests of the rich at the expense of everyone else. It is not that we can't solve the problems, it is that it was never the true priority. So unless the power-elite voluntarily gives up their privilege, or the sheepled masses start organizing, things will never improve. The Hopis were right. There will be widespread destruction and chaos. We need it to alter our consciousness for the coming new era. We don't seem to be able to make the leap from where we are at now without a painful hard lesson.

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» RE: Hopi Prophecy Posted by: richholland
Having Read 90% of Naomi Klein's "The Shock Doctrine" Over The Last 2 Days - I am Deeply Shocked
Posted by: opmoc on Jun 28, 2008 10:35 AM   
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It is a complete masterpiece and goes beyond what Joe Stiglitz and John Perkins layed out on the line saying it just the way it is with great masses of real research that is indisputedly True.

Sure I too was a victim of Friedman economics taken on-board with a religious frenzy by Thatcher which shutdown most of the industries in the North of England...

I was young enough, determined enough and lucky enough to fight back and after a year managed to get myself another job - like having done what Norman Tebbit said - get on your bike and find one

So I survived...

But the process was repeated throughout the World - and it literally destroyed MILLIONS of Lives - and resulted in a massive transfer of Wealth from the Poor to the Rich - and the process just continued - to its ultimate extreme - to where we are now which is an incredibly sad state for the human race.

The reason I am so shocked is that whilst I survived - as did the UK - even the poor don't starve to death in England...

In many countries where this process has been repeated - Millions of people have starved to death - and the starvation continues and instead of standards of real quality of life rising - for the vast majority of the Earth's population they have been dramatically falling such that Human Misery Across The World Is Now Normal.

We need to find a way out of here.

We are not doing justice to our humanity

We have allowed a World Government of Economic Psychopaths to Take Control.

They simply do not care anything for other human beings

All they care about is their own power, control and money.

They will kill us all unless we find a way to change their minds.

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To answer the question in the title,
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Jun 28, 2008 10:38 AM   
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no.

jdfu!

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This Article Is Simply A Part Of The Process of Mass Extermination of Billions of People
Posted by: opmoc on Jun 28, 2008 11:01 AM   
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The fact that over 6.5 Billion people live on this planet is because of its wealth of energy resources.

There is no shortage of energy.

But the policies of The Left -

The Green Environmental Fascists

Are Turning it Off

They think

"To Save The Planet"

The Result is Mass Starvation of Billions of People

The Agenda is The Same - Between The Extreme Right Milton Friedman Clones

And The Extreme Left

The Mass Genocide of Billions of Human Beings

There is another way - but both the Left and the Right want the job done quick.

They are not interested in another way

They are both convinced that their way is the only way

From my perspective - its the same SHIT

DEATH

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The Greatest Act
Posted by: Mimi on Jun 28, 2008 11:23 AM   
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I think that, as with so much else, it is a matter of framing.

If these global peace initiatives and propositions are NOT framed as 'what we have to do to keep the planet viable," but, rather, framed as THE GREATEST ACT, sending out a call to the leaders of the United States to go down in history as finding the moral courage to perform THE greatest Act, and clearly and deliberately placing COURAGE and HEROISM on the side of TRANSCENDING war (not giving it up, not 'surrender,' but reaching for a higher spiritual standard of transcending human violence for the sake of human existence -- then I think we have a chance.

I also think that the world will never see as big a party and more dancing in the streets if we do.

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Knows what to do?
Posted by: b253@yahoo.com on Jun 28, 2008 11:52 AM   
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Actually I find it amazing that I might lots of people who are convinced that Global Warming is not man made and therefore we don't need to do anything. Less amazing is that in almost every case they are Republican. The scariest thing in the USA is that one political party (the Republicans) are identified with the military and the military is heavily Republican. They see a military solution or none and since you can't defeat global warming with guns and bombs, and dealing with it would divert funds from the military, well it just isn't going to happen.

George Carlin had most of it right.
Rest in Peace George the ride is going to get a whole lot bumpier.

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We Are ALL Just People & The Poorest Are The Nicest Who Will Share What Little They Have
Posted by: opmoc on Jun 28, 2008 12:00 PM   
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And The People Who Have All The Wealth In The World Will Kill Us - without even knowing us.

You see - I Know what it is like...

Well O.K. - I have never been close to starvation

But I do know what it is like to be really poor

And when I have been really poor - and even when I have been relatively rich

Really Poor People Have Shared with Me Everything they had

Poor People are an Example To the World as to how Human Beings Should Behave

And Incredibly Rich Peope of Both Left and Right Political Persuasions Who have never actually met or been poor people - just want to exterminate us - to save the World - or their precious theories that the world is running out of oil

The poor aren't trying to Exterminate Them

The Poor Give

Something has really got seriously fucked up along the way with regards to people who call themselves Christians and People who think they are saving the Planet - but who#s polices will Kill Billions of Poor People

You Have No Right To Control And You Do Not Know The Consequences of Your Actions

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When I had lost My Job and Was Skint - I Borrowed a Tent and Went To Stonehenge Free Festival
Posted by: opmoc on Jun 28, 2008 12:32 PM   
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Margaret Thatcher and Her Storm Troops Fresh on Coal Miner's Blood Finally Shut it Down in 1985

Meanwhile Glastonbury had continued - and still is

Sure its now become rather a commercial thing compared to what it was and the tickets cost a fortune - but it is being broadcast live across the World for Free by the BBC - and not only that but my Favourite English Band at the Moment - Elbow - They come from Bury in Lancashire where I had my first job as an electrician's mate putting up light fittings in a wharehouse is on LIVE in 5 minutes

Maybe you can see Glastonbury in America Live

If not why not?

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Cutting back
Posted by: macdon1 on Jun 28, 2008 1:06 PM   
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I haven't been out of California or on an airplane in 10 years. I have NEVER owned a car. My adult daughter and I live in 600 square feet, quite possible in a climate where our little shared backyard is another room. We buy 90% of our clothes at a thrift shop, have a compost pile and recycle. We have only 2 small wastebaskets of trash per week and have lived like this for years.
We are quite happy and do not feel deprived...in fact we feel we have a luxurious life style because we do have hot water, cable TV and cellphones and enough to eat. We are warm enough in winter (mild as it is) and cool enough in summer. Yet other people think we live like paupers by American standards. If everyone had cut back just a little like this 10 years ago, we wouldn't be in the mess we are now. Because of profligate living and greed our beloved forests of Northern California are burning as we speak, we have lost our fertile farms and disrupted the rain cycle with over development.
"Pave paradise and put up a parking lot"
(linda rondstadt)

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» But I do........ Posted by: gellero1
Psycopathy of empire and the world of 2050
Posted by: nightgaunt on Jun 28, 2008 1:08 PM   
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It is the extremely mentally ill. Or I should say those different from us. Those who have no compassion or even think we are the normal ones. For they think themselves superior because they aren't 'gullible' when they find themselves surrounded by those who feel for others and wish to help. To the psychopath it is easy to fool these others, to manipulate for their own ends. They can spot others like them living unknown amid those who call themselves 'normal.' They get together to form alliances to achieve their will of control. Of power and wealth that goes along with it. They also find ways of getting those who show the right characteristics (from brain damage) to fully go over to them. They change the culture to promote their ways as 'cool' to the general populace. They make ideal soldiers too because they aren't traumatized like the 'normals' are and are more likely to carry out genicidal orders without qualm. These psychopaths and their kindred are in charge here and in other countries like Isreal and move almost with total impunity flaunting laws and killing millions and stealing $ billions.

Even if climate changes radically alter the earth they won't care. They will have the technology and military to protect themselves and find some way to profit from it. They have only just begun to create an empire. Not that almost empire we have had off and on on the edge of legality. They want one where they are never questioned and have complete power to implement their wants on a global scale.

The north pole is projected to be nearly iceless this year for the first time in maybe millions of years good! It is an opportunity to drill for oil and other resources and get rich all over again. Climate change? If it exists it is just God's plan, for humans are too puny to do anything to cause it. Evolution? Nonsense, humans are just as all animal and plant life are special creations and are under our dominion. What of human life? Special but fated to by God for either Heaven or Hell. The soul is safe and the body is corrupted so it can be punished. Get the idea of their mindset?

I have said it before, you can't reason with them, they think us inferior and they will do anything they can to maintain control of us. They are greedy for power and will not relinquish it once they have it. Voting them out of office is impossible unless the next batch are just like them. Expert liars and will say anything to get elected. No real choices will be allowed. Just see Kucinich and Paul.

Piecemeal change is going on but we need a national turn to it. Many countries will follow the USA but to do that we need radical change here first. Otherwise the world will have to do it on their own. India and China aren't interested right now in that. Once we hit 3-4 degrees Centigrade the Amazon rainforest will become dried out and a big grassland area.
The polar caps will be mostly ice free and the coast lines will have risen between 20 ft and 50 ft [1 ft vertical rise=100 ft horizontal] depending on the amount of melting in Greenland too. It will be a vastly changed world and it will kill billions whether we like it or not.

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» NASA??? Posted by: gellero1
"According to the scientific consensus. . .
Posted by: monkeywrench on Jun 28, 2008 1:14 PM   
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. . ., to avoid driving Earth's system of climate regulation into irrevocable collapse we humans must achieve at least an 80 percent reduction in global greenhouse gas emissions no later than 2050 and possibly sooner."

"Must" and "should" are words that have virtually no power when put up against other words and phrases, such as "profit" and "cash flow."

Other human societies, such as the Anastasi, have destroyed their environmental support systems, and thus themselves, for short-term gain. There is little or nothing in the current zeitgeist to indicate that we have learned much about environmental stewardship for the common good since then; and Mother Nature has eliminated other species when they became too much of a burden to ecological balance.

Our arrogance and self-impression (and western religions) have fooled us into believing that we are somehow different than the other creatures of the world, but we are not. We will remain a part of Nature's plan only for so long as we can maintain some sort of balance with Nature. If we move too far from that state, which we are at a quickening pace, Nature will scrape us off the planet and start over.

Earth will survive; we won't.

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Why should I save the world?
Posted by: European American on Jun 28, 2008 1:17 PM   
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Am I correct in assuming that the US and Europe Will be overrun by Latinos and Arabs by 2050 do to their excessive birth rates? Than why should I, a 26 year old white male who does not plan on having kids, care about the fate of the world?

I do not plan on making any sacrifices for the late great planet Earth.

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Naomi Klein & The Rest of The Left Must Know About 9/11 So Why Are They Too Shy To Come Out and Tell
Posted by: opmoc on Jun 28, 2008 1:28 PM   
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The Truth About that as well

Don't Bullshit Me about not knowing the laws of Physics and Being Exterminated by The US Government

Sure If You Tell The Truth You Might Personally Not Live For another 5 years - and your Children May Suddenly Disappear Because You Were Courageous Enough to tell the Truth

But I have being saying it on the internet since I first became aware of it - as regards 9/11 about 18 months after the event - as regards the War in Iraq - about 18 months before it started..

And I too have Children who I Love

And I too have an IP Address that Can be instantly traced by the CIA and MI6 and Mossad

And I may be a no one compared to you

But I am still a human being NOT AFRAID and NOT PAID

TO TELL THE TRUTH

The Truth is Our Last Defence

Ask any Mother in Iraq

She's just like Your Mum

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I Am A Left Wing Capitalist - I Have Always Been a Left Wing Capitalist
Posted by: opmoc on Jun 28, 2008 2:07 PM   
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I Express It in The Way I Write

There is Nothing Wrong With Capitalism

Its Just That The Political Ponerologists took over the System

My Son Cares Nothing About This

He Just Wants To Provide High Definition Quality and Standard Definition Video Television Services All Over The World Via The Internet

He Just Wants To Provide The Services - and For People To Pay His Company Just a Little Bit More Than It Costs To Put It Out All Over The World

And The UK Data Centres in London and Manchester and some other places across the World have that communicative capability

My Son has absolutely NO MESSAGE Whatsover

Except

COMMUNICATION

He is 20 Years old and has been with the same Girl for over Four and a Half Years

They have both just been on holiday with us in the North of England

But they were born in the South of England

And they didn't come straight home today

They went via Manchester

Where I reckon there is an exceedingly good chance of him signifiantly expanding his business - by picking up all the bits of the company that gave him a chance to expand up north - by giving away their services away too cheaply - such that they ran out of money and went bust.

My Son is just picking up the pieces

I have offerred him no money - and never have except £4,500 at 5% interest a couple of years ago

He is however offerring Internet TV - and numerous other services across the World from London and Manchester

Looks Like Manchester may become rather more important

My Son is Obvioulsy a Rampant Capitalist

He Has No Interest Whatsoever In The Information Communicated

He Just Wants To Ensure It's Delivery

And make enough money to get Married and Have Children of His Own

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Their is No Censorship - If You Have Your Little Camera - And Video It
Posted by: opmoc on Jun 28, 2008 2:24 PM   
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It Will Be Pubished All Over The World For Free

Just get your cameras out and record these arseholes in action

Its our only defence from them

Just record the truth in video and sound

And put it out just so it simply cannot be ignored by the journalists who hate being kept quiet by their employers

"Oh If We Tell The Truth - We Will Lose Our Jobs"

Try Being a SOLDIER

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You Ain't Looking - Music Festivals Are Massive in The UK - And The USA is catching up
Posted by: opmoc on Jun 28, 2008 4:01 PM   
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They are attended by Rich People's Children

These Musicians Are Programming The Thoughts Of People Who Are Soon To Take Important Positions Right In The Core Of Our Societies

People - with Rich Mums and Dads have lived with their friends in tents and mud and had a great time

They have lived like refugees and actually a lot of it has been really tough cos the girls can't do their make-up and sometimes - have to piss and shit with their friends over a big trench in the gound in fact its a little bit like being in the trenches in the Somme in the first world war - except you ain't shooting anyone

AND THESE KIDS WILL BE our future political and industrial and economic leaders

Whilst the Yanks just send their kids to shoot people in Iraq and Afghanistan

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» Thank you! Posted by: Tom Tele
The English Working Class Are Rampant Capitalists - But We Are Also Fair
Posted by: opmoc on Jun 28, 2008 4:16 PM   
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To Our Colonial Past

AND SHOOT THE FASCISTS

Who Kill Innocent Poor People

Without Violence

We Operate At a Higher Level

We Can't Be Bothered Killing You

We are just going to change your mind

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my little diatribe
Posted by: eagle55 on Jun 28, 2008 4:42 PM   
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Frustrating to the maximum is seeing how in this country USA and throughout the world the people are not rising as they can and should to meet the extraordinary challenges and obstacles that humanity face. God what more needs to happen for all of us to wake up and see that the fate of humanity literally lies in the balance and in each one of us. Psychopaths are leading us to ruin but only because we allow it. I believe in numbers their is strength so I hope with all my heart that we all of us around the globe unite to stop this MADNESS, this article is correct because we the US are most strongly affecting the trajectory of our species so its up to us in the US to claim back our government and live up to the grand and noble ideals of our forefathers!

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How Would You Know Anything Sat Behind Your Computer Screens Afraid To Explore The World As It Is
Posted by: opmoc on Jun 28, 2008 4:47 PM   
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We are English and Working Class And Travel Throughout The World and Meet People and Talk To The People We Meet Sometimes By Sign Language

No One Has Given Us a Hard Time

We Just Present Ourselves As We Are

A Man and Woman From Lancashire in England

We Don't Come to take anything except our experience of you and your culture

And when you give us so much love we want to do everything we possibly can to protect your life and your culture

We are English and Love All The People On Our Planet

We are not trying to sell anything

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Labels
Posted by: Zeugitai on Jun 28, 2008 4:58 PM   
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Strong social pressures are levied by means of labels. Unfortunately, in the United States, they work, and how. You are not being a pessimist, you are being realistic. Things are simply so bad that there is very little cause for hope. Slapping a label on the one who speaks vitiates the argument they are making; it destroys their credibility; it is evasive. This and not rational argument is the way that the American culture operates.

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We Completely Love Neil Young And He is Playing at a Hop Farm Near Where We Live
Posted by: opmoc on Jun 28, 2008 5:15 PM   
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In front of around 100,000 people

It's next weekend

We might go if someone offers us a place to sleep after the gig

But there are just so many English Festivals you can do

And I expect to be able to pitch a tent at the ones I go to

(We Did 5 Last Year)

We Saw Neil Young Earlier This Year

And can only say

As he gets Older He Gets Even Better

The Audience Blew The Roof Off With Their RESPECT

You Could Hear a Pin Drop Through His Acoustic Set

Complete Reverence For Canadian Genius In London

The Hop Farm Will Be Somewhat Different

I'm Up For Going But Don't Have Any Tickets Or a Place To Sleep

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We Like Going To Much Smaller Festivals in England and Across The World
Posted by: opmoc on Jun 28, 2008 5:46 PM   
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Especially The ones we knew absoltely nothing whatsoever about and ended up their by an extremely bizzare co-incidence of accidents in the middle of a Country we knew nothing about

We ain't special or anything

We are both White

And both have Really Long Blonde/Silvery White Hair

Its completely Extra-Ordinary some things we have found ourselves within and thought - this is completely wonderful - what have we done to deserve to be here

And all the Children come up to us - and the Women present their Babies to us to Bless

And we haven't done anything but accept an invitation from a man with a tuk-tuk who said he would show us the local temples
- and showed us his home and wife and brother and children and tradidtional industry.

We had no idea where he was going to take us

And it was the most wonderful FESTIVAL we had ever been to in Our Lives

Earlier This Year In February - In a remote Part of India

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America Might Have LOST But Us English Have Got Glastonbury Broadcast In REAL High Definition nm
Posted by: opmoc on Jun 28, 2008 6:07 PM   
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No Message I'm a Bit Pissed And LOVE ENGLAND

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ANGEL MASSIVE ATTACK FROM GLASTONBURY IN FULL HIGH DEFINITION ON BBC
Posted by: opmoc on Jun 28, 2008 6:28 PM   
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You Have No Idea How ANGRY WE ARE About Your Appalling Behaviour

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