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ForeignPolicy

Israel Lobby Authors Walt, Mearsheimer Travel to Tel Aviv

By Linda Mamoun, AlterNet. Posted June 28, 2008.


Many Israelis consider the authors' critique to be not only thoroughly mainstream, but also perfectly obvious.
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Tel Aviv -- like all of Israel -- is a stridently nationalist place. Israeli flags hang everywhere: over buildings, roads, city parks and beaches. They're mounted on cars and motorcycles. In residential areas, on the city's narrow tree-lined streets, you see flags draped over balconies, painted on ledges, growing in the bougainvillea. Some of the flags are festooned with lights. A fruit vendor may have so many flags bunched around his stand that you might not know if he is selling fruit or flags.

Like Cape Town in the 1980s, Tel Aviv is a classic apartheid city. Both Cape Town and Tel Aviv are wealthy port cities with vibrant art scenes and large gay communities. Relatively free of the right-wing fervor that marks Jerusalem, Tel Aviv has the feel of openness -- just as Cape Town, under apartheid, seemed more liberal than its inland counterpart Johannesburg/Pretoria. At early stages of development, unwanted populations were cleansed from both cities, making them appear less stratified. But nothing obscures the fact that Palestinians are prohibited from living in Tel Aviv. And Palestinians with Israeli citizenship are an invisible community, although somewhere between 5,000 and 10,000 live in the neighboring ancient town of Jaffa, where they once numbered 100,000. (An additional 500 Palestinian families are currently in the process of being evicted from Jaffa). Even Palestinians who have Israeli citizenship are rarely able to rent an apartment in Tel Aviv. If you stand within city limits, you can't see the enclosure wall that Israel built to separate Palestinians in nearby Qalqiliya, but Tel Aviv activists know it looms only 12 miles east of their city. They call it the apartheid wall.

I was in Tel Aviv in the middle of June when John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, authors of "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy," spoke at a forum organized by the peace group Gush Shalom. The forum was held at the Bet Sokolov Press Club, a few blocks south of Rabin Square in the heart of the city. Just on the other side of Rabin Square, billionaire Uzbek oligarch and settlement builder Lev Leviev's Africa Israel Group is putting up a new mixed-use development with 970 residential units and 220,000 square feet of office space. The project will be called Sumayil, to "honor" the Arab village that was there until 1948, though many Palestinians refer to the village by the name Al Mas'udiyya.

Tel Aviv is considered the most liberal city in Israel, which might explain why Mearsheimer and Walt were greeted by a standing-room-only crowd. Many in the audience were middle-aged, bespectacled locals curious about the lobby that claims to represent them. But not everyone welcomed the American professors. There were a handful of protesters stationed in front of the building, passing out English-language booklets, eight pages long, to "counter the misinformation." Except for one young man, the protesters were not Israeli. They were Americans from StandWithUs, a U.S.-based organization which, according to its website, "ensures that Israel's side of the story is told in communities, campuses, libraries, the media and churches." The group's mission even extends to educating Israelis themselves.


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Gosh, this sounds familiar...
Posted by: Democratic Socialist on Jun 28, 2008 2:42 AM   
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Welcome to Israel
Posted by: weathered on Jun 28, 2008 3:28 AM   
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A political state by day, a religious state for tax purposes, an extradition-free refuge for its citizens who commit crimes elsewhere, but always, the exhausting, manipulating and misunderstood victim that demands to be treated as the exception and always at the expense of others.

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JUSTIFYING INJUSTICE
Posted by: thebeerdoctor on Jun 28, 2008 4:22 AM   
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Pro Zionist forces become upset when comparisons to former South Africa are presented. Even former President Carter: Peace Not Apartheid. The fact that in a recent poll, 64% of the Israeli population favored direct negotiations with Hamas, is very rarely reported. The Pro Israel Lobby (that meaning extending even further military aide) live in a fantasy that dreams of an empire, an empire with the full backing of the United States military. The corporate military welfare program of fighter jets, tanks, and cluster bombs makes expansionist Israeli policies a lucrative business opportunity. There is no doubt, whoever becomes the next US president, that spigot of armament money will remain fully open.
No one cares to admit that the first step towards peace is to stop enabling war.

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» RE: JUSTIFYING INJUSTICE Posted by: dcsmithie
» RE: JUSTIFYING INJUSTICE Posted by: Lauren
» RE: JUSTIFYING INJUSTICE Posted by: dustdevil
» RE: JUSTIFYING INJUSTICE Posted by: colinmeister
Israel wants US aid paid in Euros . . .
Posted by: dustdevil on Jun 28, 2008 6:15 AM   
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http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/3689


Is there no limit to the control Israel has over the the US?

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» Thanks, Maxloen, I'll try again Posted by: dustdevil
» absolute hogwash . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» How so? Posted by: yellow
» You still don't get it . . . Posted by: dustdevil
dcsmithie
Posted by: dcsmithie on Jun 28, 2008 7:17 AM   
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Sadly, this post is uninformative on a topic worthy of debate and that has more than one legitimate side.
Walt was met with a variety of reactions by Israelis, not just the anecdotal single event described by the author of the post. Moreover, Tel Aviv is simply not a place where flags are draped over every balcony, etc. It is a very secular and very diverse city. I was there in April. I rode a public bus with a man and his wife (in a burqua). That was an unremarkable sight. But you won't see any Jews allowed in almost all of the Arab countries. After centuries, they were expelled 50-60 years ago.
As far as a few rich people supporting AIPAC, that's again simply not true. That organization has donors and members across the financial spectrum. If you want to say that rich donors somehow de-legitimize an organization, then take a look at the massive outlay of petrodollars in the USA. Millions to fund professorships and institutes in American universities, for example.

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» Partly Posted by: emmas
» More absolute hogwash . . . Posted by: dustdevil
taking issue with a few points
Posted by: calvinball on Jun 28, 2008 9:37 AM   
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Catchy as the article's intro is, most of the author's comparisons between contemporary Tel Aviv and apartheid-era Cape Town are essentially meaningless. By these indicators, San Francisco is also a "classic apartheid city": a "wealthy port city with a vibrant art scene and large gay community", "open", "liberal", "relatively free of the right-wing fervor that marks... its inland counterparts". And Israel certainly doesn't have a monopoly on flag-waving. Look around our own country - or, more accurately, think of how many American flags were put up after 9/11. That degree of nationalism is a typical response from a country that feels its existence, or at least its current way of life, is threatened. Living with a climate of violence and a shaky political scene, that is how many Israelis feel - and many Palestinians: go into any Arab community in Israel/Palestine and you'll see Palestinian flags everywhere, too.

Palestinians are prohibited from living in Tel Aviv.
This would be appalling if it were true. About 5% of the population of Tel Aviv is non-Jewish Arabs. This number is disproportionately low, for a variety of reasons. Some understandably prefer to live in nearby Jaffa, which has an Arab majority. And many are victims of oppression - discrimination in jobs and housing, or economic oppression that makes it difficult for them to afford housing in the city. But there are no laws or regulations prohibiting Arabs from living in Tel Aviv. The distinction between de jure and de facto segregation is an important one to make, especially when the article is using them as a basis for allegations of apartheid.

Except for one young man, the protesters were not Israeli.... The group's mission even extends to educating Israelis themselves.
It's more than a little misleading to demean these protesters for those reasons when they are exactly like Walt and Mearsheimer: Americans going to Israel to educate Israelis about American-Israeli politics. And using anecdotal comments overheard from a few people at a single event with a distinct political perspective is no basis for the claim that "many" people consider anything "thoroughly mainstream" and "perfectly obvious".

"When you can't defeat someone on the basis of facts, you call them names. We do not think that our book will fuel anti-Semitism. We do believe that not being able to talk about these issues will fuel anti-Semitism."

There are facts about what's going on in Israel and Palestine. There are issues of horrific violence and brutal, systemic oppression, and those issues need to be discussed. This article's inflammatory, misleading rhetoric does nothing to promote that sort of discussion, which is ultimately to the detriment of everyone involved.

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» RE: taking issue with a few points Posted by: Gretchen360
» What about the 1967 war? . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» Just as it was thought . . . Posted by: dustdevil
Garvagh
Posted by: Garvagh on Jun 28, 2008 10:13 AM   
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This is an important story that should be printed in major American newspapers. The "Israel Lobby" in the US is inflicting enormous damage on the long-term prospects for stability and security for Israel itself, by mistakenly suppressing as far as possible fair and open discussion of Jewish suppression of the Palestinians, both within the pre-1967 borders of Israel, and in the occupied West Bank. Israel must do minimum justice to the Palestinians, by allowing the creation of a viable independent Palestine comprising the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, or continue with the South African-style Bantustan strategy that was certain to fail there, and would be certain to fail in an unpartitioned Israel/Palestine.

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So What is the Answer
Posted by: Gravitas on Jun 28, 2008 10:31 AM   
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What is very sad to me is that I personally know both Palestinians and Israelis and they are among the finest caliber of people you would ever want to meet. My background is social science. I just wonder how much of the intensity of this conflict and rage at each other comes from the horrible way the world has treated both groups? Ironic that Western civilization owes so much to both the Jewish and Arabic cultures. Yet we have treated them so unfairly it should make our hearts hurt. Maybe this is naive, but I wonder if honoring both of them instead of constantly finding fault and demonizing them could be part of the solution. Maybe someone should start of website that is totally devoted to what is good about the cultures. Feature both of them side by side. What could it hurt? Certainly the path we are on has not gotten us anywhere.

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Israeli, America and the Price of Oil
Posted by: sofla100 on Jun 28, 2008 10:47 AM   
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Arguing if it is AIPAC that overly influences USA policy or if it is more probable that the USA uses Israel as a tool for her own foreign policy in the Middle East (as Chomsky asserts), this is only part of the equation. The other part is that the unresolved situation in the Middle East continues to have terrible consequences for the USA and many economies around the world. From 911 to the current price of oil, we are all suffering the results. The simple fact is, the unresolved Palestinian situation serves as a magnet for hatred of the USA in the Middle East. Because of the USA military and economic aid given to Israel, it's impossible for the USA not to be seen essentially as not only her (Israel's) benefactor, but also her protector. Therefore, it is perceived, in the Arab world almost universally, that the USA endorses all of Israel's policies, including the building of settlements in the territories. It is also generally perceived that the entire Iraq war
is a product of AIPAC and Israeli influence on American policy. Now, this may not be competely true or even if it is not true, at all, in reality, that is not my point. It is how things are perceived in the Arab world that counts! Now, for the Arab's, they perceive Israel and hence the USA as continuing to be at war with them. Much of this goes back to the unresolved Palestinian situation, which they lay at the doorstep of Israel and the USA. Because of perceived USA support of Israel, nobody in the Arab world either believes the USA can honestly ever broker an agreement for peace either. Many Arab's also believe that it was the USA that gave Israel the technology she used to develop nuclear weapons, a potential threat to all of them (in the Arab world). And, for the Arab world they are striking back. First it was Osama and 911. Now it is the price of oil. The President of Libya has declared oil is going to even $170 or more, a barrel, and President Bush was reduced to being seen (in the Arab world) as humiliated in begging Saudi Arabia to increase oil production. The USA stock market is sinking into depths being compared with the Great Depression, while the wheels start to come off the economies of the USA and Western Europe. The USA is spending hundreds of billions for her troops and military in Iraq, while billions (she has spent) end up in the coffers of Iran, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela, to pay for the gasoline the military needs. Bottom line, I think the USA needs to somehow resolve the Palestinian situation and leave Iraq as soon as possible. To solve the first problem, perhaps bringing in Russia or China to broker it is a good course of action. Forget Condi Rice who will just be seen as a USA/Israeli stooge in the Arab countries. As for the second problem, the USA should simply pack up and leave, as no good is being accomplished by this (Iraq war) and it is a continued fiasco. That situation will eventually have to resolve itself.

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War with Iran wil be a disaster for Israeli Security..
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Jun 28, 2008 10:59 AM   
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The right wing Israeli Lobby AIPAC and alike doesn't realize that the coming War with Iran will not secure Israel, but only increase hatred for it and also further endanger it and cost Israel many many lives as well as feed into the worlds anti-Semitic attitudes that do exist..

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And every criticism of Israel is "This article's inflammatory, misleading rhetoric
Posted by: aamer923 on Jun 28, 2008 6:43 PM   
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So we have to shut up and just be quiet about whatever racist plocies of Israel

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» wordplay Posted by: nap
PALESTINE PEACE
Posted by: bc430 on Jun 29, 2008 12:04 PM   
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"PALESTINE PEACE NOT APARTHEID" by Jimmy Carter is an honourable, honest book written by an honourable, honest human being. The historical chronology from 1900 B.C. to August 2006 A.D. is worth several times the price of the book.

Great graduation gift. Maybe if refrences to Jimmy Carter are removed the info on the pages can inform members of our Congress and foreign service officers and bring an end to America's pussyfooting with half ass Peace propospals while America and Israel both become more Nazi like by the hour. Today's Palestinian people are HUMAN BEINGS first and last and WWII Germany was a long time ago.

I am ANTI-APARTHEID!!!!

White Racist European Jews who dehumanize and hate Palestinians are ANTI-SEMITIC.

Q. Why are these life and liberty destroying Jewish ANTI-SEMITES not viewed and spewed upon like Louis Farrakahn is demonized, viewed and spewed on for "just words" he uttered 20 years ago?

A. Because Dr. James Dobson, John Hagee, Rod Parsley and like minded great amarican leaders, [according to John McCain], have been informing the Christian right and influencing the foreign policy of the United States of America.

The book is "Palestine Peace Not Apartheid" by Jimmy Carter.

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Alternet, cut the bullcrap
Posted by: owlsliveintrees on Jun 29, 2008 3:38 PM   
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Since when does one person going to one speech and overhearing conversations between 4 people give the author the authority to right some sort of examination of Israel's reaction to a book? This is stupid.

All this crap gives the alternet jew-haters a chance to stand up and spout out more crap. This is israel's fault, that is israel's fault. Enough already. The Sunni-Shiite confrontation has killed far more than any Israel-Palestinian confrontation.

The muslim middle east is a violent society that focuses it's rage on Sunni, or Shiite, women, people who drink alcohol, people who are gay, people who are too fanatically muslim, people who aren't fanatically muslim enough, and when they are finally done gassing each other and chopping off hands and bulldozing villages, THEN they turn their attention to the jews for a few years until they decide to go back to killing each other.

The first reaction for too many Alternet people when a bomb goes off is to immediately ask themselves how they can best appease the people who blew it up. Never is there an examination of whether or not the cause is legitimate, or the action is a correct response.

I don't know, but if there was some group howling on about some 60 year old grievance, and then I saw that these same people also glorify death, and oppress everyone who isn't a male practicing muslim, and accuse jews of using blood to make matza i'd say "screw them."

Just because people blow up stuff doesn't mean they somehow have a legitimate grievance.

The Muslims have problems with everyone.

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Helping the Jews
Posted by: GPFrank on Jun 29, 2008 5:56 PM   
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It has been said "We know our enemies but God help us from our friends". who are growing like mushrooms these day such as the above mentioned group called called "Stand with us", Hagee and his "Hitler an instrument of god" and even the
AIPC itself.

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fighting Israeli apartheid
Posted by: tomsanders on Jun 29, 2008 11:43 PM   
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Linda Mamoun is correct in identifying some of the forms of apartheid that currently exist within the borders of Israel and in the land that Israel is occupying. But in many ways the situation there is much worse than described. The violence that the Israeli army, border police, contracted security workers, and cops do is something that could not have happened in South Africa because the white elite in South Africa relied on the blacks for cheap labor. Although Israel also exploits Palestinian labor, the country has relaxed its immigration policies so much that it is even accepting non-Jews into the country from places like Russia and Sudan.

In other words, Israel has such a large pool of unemployed immigrants that it has been able to deny Palestinians the jobs they once did. This is one reason that the Palestinians are now living in immense poverty --often without access to electricity, sewage systems and their own water (which they are now forced to buy from the Israelis.)

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Gentiles
Posted by: DesertStone on Jun 30, 2008 1:33 PM   
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The idea that Israel alone is responsible for its plight is absurd. Israel couldn’t exist without the support of millions of Europeans and Americans Whatever crimes Israel has perpetrated its partners and supporters in America and Europe have also perpetrated. They share the guilt in all of Israelis crimes.

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Americans
Posted by: DesertStone on Jun 30, 2008 1:40 PM   
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The very idea that some band of devious Jews and their lobby are directing American foreign policy without any consent of Anglo Americans is a joke. If Anglo Americans didn’t need Israel there would be no Israel lobby. They use each other and are equally devious destructive and ominous forces. Neither is the victim of the other.

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