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ForeignPolicy

Free Countries Must Defy Chinese Blackmail and Greet the Dalai Lama

By Timothy Garton Ash, Comment Is Free. Posted March 25, 2008.


It would be great to watch the Olympics in Beijing this summer, but not over the dead bodies of Buddhist monks.
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Last week, UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown promised to meet the Dalai Lama when he comes to Britain in May. So should all other leaders of free countries, whenever the opportunity arises. Anything less would shame us all. And it wouldn't help China either.

We face at least three difficulties in reacting to the unfolding tragedy of the Tibetans. We don't know enough about what's really going on, because the Chinese authorities are determined to prevent us finding out by expelling journalists, ratcheting up their customary censorship of the Internet, and telling lies. We feel impotent to prevent the horror unfolding. And we have to balance our deep sympathy with the Tibetans against our interest in a benign evolution of China. Appeasement of Beijing for short-term political and commercial gains is contemptible; trying to ensure that anything we do to help the Tibetans won't hinder the evolution of China is not. It's statecraft -- and moral, too.

Here's the good reason for not reacting to the repression of Buddhist monks in Tibet as we did to the repression of Buddhist monks in Burma. No, we shouldn't impose economic sanctions on the whole of China, as we do on Burma. Nor should we boycott the Beijing Olympics. There is too much at stake. The French foreign minister Bernard Kouchner has suggested that if the repression in China worsens -- not only in Tibet, but also with the persecution of Chinese dissidents such as Hu Jia -- European leaders might not participate in the opening ceremony of the Olympics. A threat worth making, perhaps, though it won't get far with his fellow EU foreign ministers when they meet next week.

It may be worth calling for United Nations observers to be sent in to Tibet, though China will doubtless veto that. As important is to insist that the Chinese authorities keep the promise they have made -- and are now breaking -- to allow foreign journalists free movement around the whole of China in the runup to the Olympics. (If they don't let reporters go to Tibet, this can only mean that Tibet is not part of China.)

Yet we know, in our hearts, that none of this will prevent them clamping down, with armed force -- the knock on the door at 4am, and all the familiar apparatus of a police state. As it is, Tibetans are arrested simply for possessing an image of the Dalai Lama. And there's the rub: the exiled 72-year-old spiritual and political leader of the Tibetans remains the only visible key to a peaceful solution. On all the anecdotal evidence from travelers in these parts, he still holds the love and loyalty of the majority of his people. At the same time, he offers to China's leaders a negotiated path to Hong Kong-style autonomy for Tibet, short of full independence. If they made a rational calculation of their own long-term interest, down this path they would tread.

But they don't. With the doublethink characteristic of repressive regimes, China's communist leaders say he is an irrelevance, a feudal relic; and yet they talk about him obsessively. They routinely denounce him as a "splittist", that is, one who wishes to split Tibet from the motherland by pursuing independence. This week we had the otherwise sober Chinese premier Wen Jiabao ranting about the "incident" in Tibet being "organised, premeditated, masterminded and incited by the Dalai clique". This, he said, proved that "the claims made by the Dalai clique that they pursue not independence but peaceful dialogue are nothing but lies."

A throwback to the worst Stalinist demagogy, this statement is not merely at odds with, but the diametric opposite of, the truth, making black out of white. The Dalai Lama keeps repeating that he does not seek full independence. There is no human being in the world today who is more publicly, consistently and unequivocally committed to the path of non-violence. In accepting the Nobel peace prize in 1989, he mentioned "the man who founded the modern tradition of nonviolent action for change, Mahatma Gandhi" even before his own long-suffering Tibetan people. This week, he threatened to resign as political leader of the Tibetan government in exile if his followers resorted to violence. There is not a shred of evidence that he instigated the rising in Tibet. On the contrary, the fact that popular anger has boiled over into street protest -- including, it seems, some violence against innocent Han Chinese and local Muslims -- suggests that at least some Tibetans are becoming fed up with the course of non-violence on which he has kept them for so long.


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cia blowback?
Posted by: hbill on Mar 25, 2008 2:17 AM   
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just wondering if the cia is up to its old tricks again as they funded the dalai lama in the 1960's to help drive a wedge in between china or is this actually for real?

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Caution in walking
Posted by: talkville on Mar 25, 2008 2:19 AM   
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As this article itself points out, we are not in possession of very much information as to the real and actual events ocurring and developing at present in Tibet. This means that this may include other 'forces' and 'influences' besides the Dalai Lama and the Chinese Gov't that are playing a role in the events there. It seems reasonable that the Olympics would be immensely helpful to MANY different parties to draw attention to conditions in Tibet, not only the Tibetan people themselves. In a larger context, this is Geo-Politics at work here and as we all should well know by now, it is not that simple to reduce particular events to a neat and simple dichotomy of David v. Goliath. What other external groups, organizations, perhaps countries? are operationally represented in the current goings-on in Tibet? We do not know.

As to the premise of "free countries" this, of course is a relative term. All countries oppress to a greater or lesser degree significant sectors of their own populations; this is not a "Good here and Evil there" kind of thing. We should not forget that. globally, a kind of "Balkanization" energy is taking place and many sections of the world are being divided and sub-divided into enclaves of Identity, either ethnic, religious or along other lines -- is this the "New Westphalian" construction that's desired? And who desires it?

This is part of a more than 50-year old historical dynamic in Tibet; anyone sincerely interested and in solidarity with the Tibetan people ought to consider for themselves and autonomously -- regardless in what country ('free' or not) they reside. Let us not forget that not only China OR Tibet itself has "interests" in that territory. Oppression is world-wide; we don't have enough information to just glibly ally ourselves with policies of a "free" country that may, or may not, be more hypocritical and self-interested than sincere.

If the Tibetan people are to provoke repressions and oppressions upon themselves, let it be for liberation and not for an exchange of oppressions.

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Nationalism is not equal to religious freedom
Posted by: robchapman on Mar 25, 2008 4:00 AM   
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China's suppression of Tibetan Buddhism is unacceptable.

However, the US remedy to this problem: the dismemberment of China,is even worse.

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Let Us REMEMBER
Posted by: reverend revlon on Mar 25, 2008 4:29 AM   
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I think we should all take the time to remember that these are a spritual people and that the best way to do things, is to follow in the Dalai Lama foot steps. He first and of all prays and mediates over any and everything before takes action. Then, he travels all over the world and SPEAKS with anyone who will listen. He doesn't force anyone to do anything, but through his pure kindness and love, he helps people to understand what is going on and how change can be effected. we might want to try that some day.

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UN Charter Article 1 must always be paramount
Posted by: Julian on Mar 25, 2008 4:39 AM   
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The answer to Tibet is basically the same as the answer to every country and region that has in the lifetime of its inhabitants suffered unwanted foreign overlords, or suffers them now, or is threatened with them in the future. It doesn't lie in history which precedes the active lives of the people now involved, or in geopolitics (the language of colonialism), or in ancestry, or in religion. The key to all these conflicts is in the right of peoples to self-determination as in embodied in Article 1 of the UN Charter. See http://www.unpo.org/article.php?id=4957 for a very lucid explanation of just what that means. Like every great principle it can need adaptation - but only adaptation in the spirit in which it is formulated, concentrating only on the rights of peoples and totally disregarding the interests of overlords, current or wannabe.

Armed with a clear understanding of this principle, one can make sense of all issues such as Gibraltar, the Falklands, Kashmir, Kosovo, Darfur, Chechnya, Basque territory, Kurdistan, Tibet, West Papua, Northern Ireland, East Timor, Aceh, South Moluccas, Taiwan. The list may soon come to include Penang. All of these, and many others, are territories in which foreigners or other outsiders exercise sovereignty, or have done so, or seek to do so. The same question is relevant to all of them: what do the majority of the people of the territory want?

Any American who (on this or that geopolitical pretext) fails to support the right of the people of such territories to determine their own future would be denying the right proclaimed in 1776 and should consider accepting British rule. The same applies to citizens of any other former colony.

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Intentions are not misread
Posted by: BST on Mar 25, 2008 5:45 AM   
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This article (do I hear Kumbaya) is sweet supplication to the Chinese to do nice.

Problem is, oppression of Tibet and the Dalai Lama's exile have gone on for decades. Just asking a major power to "do the right thing" is wishful thinking.

What we see now is the spilling over of emotions of those who are tired of waiting in peace and, at the same time, a poignant appeal from monks and nuns who must hope that for one minute, at least, the world will actually pay attention to their nonviolent supplication.

The author writes: "So China's leaders misread, or at least misrepresent, the Dalai Lama's intentions."

No one else who is paying attention seems to have misread his intentions all these years.

A line in the sand is what's needed now.

Your subhead says it: "It would be great to watch the Olympics in Beijing this summer, but not over the dead bodies of Buddhist monks."

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China claims now to be a first world country, but...
Posted by: voicefromafar on Mar 25, 2008 6:06 AM   
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...they won't allow news media to travel and report freely or 'live'. They censor the internet, block and disrupt emails, arrest Tibetans for even having a photo the Central Government doesn't like. Etc, Etc.

Sorry China, you can't have it both ways. If you want to be part of the free modern world, stop the bullshit. Otherwise, one must admit that it is, in fact, China that wants to hold on to the ways of the past, not Tibet.

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the dalai lama scam
Posted by: shikejian on Mar 25, 2008 6:16 AM   
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Tibet was a sovereign nation, as the Dalai Lama says, but for only around 50 years. Since the Yuan Dynasty, the time of Genghis Khan, Tibet has been a tributary of China. That is, Tibet paid to be a country. Tibet was a colony of China. The Yellow Hats, the present ruling Buddhist order, took the ascendancy away from the Red Hats by war. That is, because of Chinese support for 800 years, Tibet was not a sovereign nation at all. Tibet paid tribute to maintain controlled peace of the population.
Buddhists are fond of maintaining they are against war and violence. The Dalai Lama even has a gold medal to prove this: he's a Nobel Peace Prize laureate.
What a sham.
The Dalai Lama lives in splendor, in direct violation of his vows and the Buddhist belief in non-attachment. Simply put, he's leading a life of illusion: he's a hypocrite. In truth, no different than any other religious leader.
The Dalai Lama says he told his monks to protest non-violently against the route of the Olympic torch--but they defied their leader and protested violently. Or did they defy him? As monks engaging in violence, they are breaking their vows. The idea that this protest was over Chinese control is ludicrous cloud cover. But, in any case, the monks' leader, the Dalai Lama, did not censor them or punish them for breaking their vows. The Dalai Lama condoned their violence.
Only Der Spiegel has been able to see that this is just another in a recent spate of "let's embarrass the hell out of China and its Olympics" activity, begun by the US. Very few news outlets are noting that US human rights violations are just as heinous, if not more so; but no one has bothered to embarrass the US or sanction the US or take some other kind of damning action against the US over its 500-year history of human rights violations. Double standard. Hypocrisy.
The Dalai Lama is no laurel leaf of peace. Not at all. After the violence broke out in Tibet, he said, publicly, that he would not do anything to stop the violence. So he tacitly agreed with the violence and supported it. That is, he was willing to let his own people, his own monkish followers die in his name, to keep his Empire in Exile in power. Great guy, eh?
What kind of leader is it who runs away and proclaims support for his people from the comfortable distance of a palatial Hawaiian estate? He and his monkish court and Western fringe hangers-on don't live in Daramsala or even in their lovely French compound; they live in the island paradise of Hawaii.
He wears an expensive gold watch. Are his sandals leather? Maybe the huge spectacles he needs to see the world with are Armani? What did he do with the large monetary reward that came with his Nobel Prize? Is the CIA still paying him for services rendered?
Only after the violence was put down by more violence did the Dalai Lama stand up and shout that he was for peace. AFTER it was all over. This is the behavior of a man who is a coward, a man who doesn't have the guts to stand up for what he believes. He certainly isn't into saving lives!
He doesn't come up even to Gandhi's knees.
The Dalai Lama is a scam artist. As Janus-faced and hypocritical as the Pope. He is an embarrassment to Buddhists. He is a prime example of the empty rhetoric of religion. He is shameful.
To use his own damning, enslaving-by-guilt language, the Dalai Lama's karma is bad. He's more than likely to find himself reincarnated as a cockroach or a worm than a Bodhisattva. . .or even just a simple, common man.
His behavior is like the man who threw a clay idol into the river in order to save the people on the other bank.
To the Dalai Lama I say, when the lips are gone, the teeth grow cold.
But buck up! You've got a lot of Americans who think you're the greatest thing since Spam.

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Keep the same road!
Posted by: carbon-based on Mar 25, 2008 6:42 AM   
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Ok, we are supposed to be against any intervention or sanctions in Iraq during Saddams reign of terror but we are supposed to take some sort of action on behalf of Tibet?

I am all for the cause of the Tibet monks and their people.

I'm also all for anything against China, who in my estimate represents one of the most dangerous threats to our country today.

But we do have to get our act straight. In light of the protests of the far left in this country and our past transgressions in Iraq I'd say we do not continue that policy and should do nothing in this case, or for Darfur as well. Lets just extract America from anyone else's problems and concentrate on rebuilding our country bringing jobs back to America and making us energy independent

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» RE: Keep the same road! Posted by: aonghus36
Imperialist powers or "free countries"?
Posted by: RedAaron on Mar 25, 2008 6:42 AM   
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Timothy Garton Ash apparently uses the label "free countries" to denote those countries that are sufficiently high up in the world capitalist-imperialist world order to keep their own populations pacified with a share of the loot sucked from the lower-rung countries. Could any of those "Western" or "Northern" countries maintain the mask of democracy if the people mainly in Africa and Asia whose cheap resources and super-exploited labor they depend on could vote in those "free" countries?

"No Exploitation without Representation!" How's that for a truly democratic slogan? Or, in the case of Iraq and Palestine, "No Devastation without Representation!"

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Unraveling Tibet
Posted by: splendid on Mar 25, 2008 6:55 AM   
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I was on the last plane into Lhasa on the Friday when the intense violence began and, as a tourist, housed temporarily in a hotel just outside the city center - as our intended hotel was in the middle of things.

While restricted to the hotel, I could see into the city from its roof. The air was filled with black clouds of smoke and no one is arguing other than that the smoke was from Tibetans rioting and killing Han Chinese, and burning shops and cars.

We do not know, yet, how violent the Chinese PAP was in return. I think it is stupid of the government there not to be more transparent about that. Yet, regardless of the social stresses which created the situation, the worst known violence was perpetrated against Han Chinese by Tibetans.

When you add into the mix that, regardless of his personal charisma and statements, the history of the Dalai Llama's rule (and that of his predecessors) is that of a theocratic, slave-holding dictatorship (with torture dungeons in the basement of the Potala Palace), I think that it behooves us all to be a little more open in our views of who the bad guys are.

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One China!
Posted by: TagsNOLA on Mar 25, 2008 6:58 AM   
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The destabilization in China is an indirect threat to the USA. Of all the countries on earth, the USA should be the very last to support separatist tendencies. We should turn our back on the Dali Lama and refuse to allow him to enter our country. He presents a public face of "love and peace," but he is most certainly behind instigation of the violence in Tibet. His sanctimonious "resignation" was nothing but a stunt for public consumption.
The USA faces separatist threats of our own in the Pacific Northwest and in the Southwest. Most Americans might assume the threat is fairly remote, but separatist tendencies can snowball. Some years back, Prince Philip, consort of the British monarch proposed a balkanization plan for North America that would have replaced the USA and Canada with a patchworth of ecological mini-states. His plan ignored not only our national boundary but also even the existing boundaries of our states and provinces! The end result would be devolution into a globalist, neo-feudalist hell.
One China! One Canada! One USA!

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Just plain disgusting
Posted by: sawdust on Mar 25, 2008 7:04 AM   
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The Chinese government is just sick. And the rest of the world is just as sick for letting them continue, as repressive as they are. And the IOC should NEVER have agreed to hold the games there. That's sick, too.

But why act surprised? It's all money. Just ask the folks at Wal-Mart, the next time to think you need to go shopping there.

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» How absurd! Posted by: photon's feather
As long as America and that faux "liberal" Europe supports SWEATSHOP,
Posted by: maxpayne on Mar 25, 2008 7:50 AM   
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nobody's going to give a FLYING FUCK about China's abominal record on human rights. Cancel those phony "free" trade deals !

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Ok, we know
Posted by: willymack on Mar 25, 2008 7:57 AM   
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Big, bad China has gobbled up Tibet and may even be working at extinction of the Tibetans as a distinct culture through intermarriage and other means. It's far more likely that the natural resources there are what China is after. The Tibetans are well aware of the ecoligical destruction and pollution China has caused in its desire for "development" and "progress", and want no part of that. Part of knowing people like the Tibetans is to know they consider their land sacred and would never sully it in any way, regardless of the "gain". What we REALLY need to do is to identify lawlessness and oppression on the part of the national "leadership" right here in the good ol' U. S. of A., and then DO something about that, or, in otherwords, mind and take care of our OWN business.

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Why is Alternet participating in a CIA operation?
Posted by: bryanth798 on Mar 25, 2008 8:13 AM   
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Alternet should be exposing the CIA's hand in planning and carrying out this latest round of third world destabilization instead of mouthing all of Foggy Bottom's talking points. The Dalai Lama just met with George W. Bush recently, in case no one recalls. What was that all about? Why is the Left taken in by this guy? He is the Trojan Horse that they use to infiltrate and compromise the Left. Wake up and smell the coffee. Alternet is failing its readers seriously. I would like to know if the author of this article is for real, or not. Why does no one even bother to look at the CIA connection before advancing an article like this - completely toeing the CIA party line to a tee. What about his defending Pinochet? Do lefties care about that? Is this smurfy little religious leader so mesmerizing that people can just brush aside Pinochet's horrors just like that? How about his long friendship and working relation with Jesse Helms? In fact, the Dalai Lama has never had anything to do with the Left. His buddies have always been ex-nazis and American right wing kingpins (like Helms). What do you people want to be - Lefties or CIA pawns? You had better make a choice, because this kind of crap is not going to serve anyone but bushies and neocons.

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Would'nt one think China might have mixed feelings -----
Posted by: symcokid on Mar 25, 2008 8:36 AM   
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about our illegal invasion, occupation, war and atrocities in Iraq - once again this USofA is right and every other country is dead wrong. Over 100,000 Iraqi's are really dead and not all of them are the result of their own self destruction.

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just pawns in the oriental geopolitical express
Posted by: hbill on Mar 25, 2008 9:06 AM   
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Yes China has reacted strongly, wrongly, and perfectly predictable. However, as the seeds of decades of CIA covert actions are sprouting again (see book, Buddha's Warriors: The Story of the CIA-Backed Tibetan Freedom Fighters, the Chinese Communist Invasion, and the Ultimate Fall of Tibet
by Mikel Dunham), I just wonder when the CIA will finally change it's ideology that every decision must be based upon the past cold war or the new cold war. Should Tibet be free - sure, but then please explain to me who will then be there puppet master (probably India via USA)

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Just a thought....
Posted by: seacaptdon on Mar 25, 2008 9:28 AM   
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It seems that the one effective thing we all could do to show disapproval of China's many violations of human rights and other crimes against humanity in general (air and water pollution that impacts us all), would be to hit them where it really counts... in the pocketbook.
If everyone who reads these blogs were to write to the corporate sponsors of the Olympics and the International Olympic Committee and offer an opinion and encourage friends to do so also, I think it would have more impact than boycotting the Olympics. And if nothing else there is one thing that China does care about it is selling their manufactured goods to American consumers. All one has to do is look at the "Made in" labels on the items in their home and we all become somewhat complicit by the fact that we have wittingly or unwittingly supported China in our purchasing choices. Collectively we could have much more impact by our consumer status directly and indirectly. If instead of complacency we got out the old pen and paper, or spent a few moments at the keyboard, writing to the corporate sponsors and merchandisers of Chinese made goods, then we might have some moderate but effective impact.

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» RE: Just a thought.... Posted by: hbill
I wonder how many posters on this thread are Americans...
Posted by: PakiBoy on Mar 25, 2008 10:50 AM   
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the hyprocrisy of Americans is astounding as they accuse of Chinese of human rights violations.

Remember Iraq anyone?

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» Such self-righteousness Posted by: photon's feather
Compare Tibet and China to Bhutan
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 25, 2008 11:01 AM   
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Bhutan's wary path to people power, Tony Birtley in Thimpu, Bhutan

"With a minister for happiness and a political party called Peace and Harmony, the tiny Himalayan kingdom of Bhutan seems to be adding very different ingredients to the world of democracy."

By comparison, Tibet has been used as a population safety valve by the Chinese Communist authorities in Beijing. Bhutan has had to expel over 100,000 Nepalese refugees fleeing unrest, stating (as appears true) that they cannot absorb the excess population without the destruction of Bhutanese culture and identity. Tibet, on the other hand, has been forced to accept a large influx of people, who enjoy preferential relationships with the Communist authorities regarding land and water rights.

China's massive water-diversion programs in Tibet have already caused great amounts of environmental degradation in a sensitive alpine region.

""They look up to Tibet for water supplies, which is perfect for these huge water-construction bureaucracies, and businesses basically who are looking to see where else they can build dams and water-diversion projects, because they have already diverted and dammed all the rivers in China," Tsering says.

He says the Chinese official media is constantly referring to Tibet as an inexhaustible source of water. But he says this is basically untrue, because Tibet is an arid area with very little rainfall. Studies, including Chinese studies, note that the glaciers that are the real source of much of the water are melting fast as the climate warms. At the current rate of glacial retreat, they suggest, much of Tibet's waters will be lost in a matter of a few decades."


There's a new economic reality in China right now - they appear to be going through their own robber baron / union struggle era. Chinese communist authorities have been caught using slave labor; tight authoritarian control of information is the norm, and yet still labor strikes are very common in China. As Naomi Klein reports in Shock Doctrine, "In 2005 there were 87,000 large protests in China involving more than 4 million workers and peasants."

Naomi Klein explains the new Chinese corporate communism : "The model the Chinese government intended to emulate was not the United States but something much closer to Chile under Pinochet: free markets combined with authoritarian political control, enforced by iron-fisted repression. . ."

"It was this wave of reforms that turned China into the sweatshop of the world, the preferred location for contract factories for virtually every multinational on the planet. No country offered more lucrative conditions... most of all, a plentiful low-wage workforce that, for many years, would be unwilling to risk demanding decent salaries or the most basic workplace protections for fear of the most violent reprisals."

That's how the shelves of WalMart are kept stocked - something like 1/3 of China's pollution and energy use is due wholly to manufacturing cheap exports for sale abroad under sweatshop conditions, all for the benefit of their "princelings", i.e. the billionaire children of the old Communist Party Bosses.

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The US can't or won't do shit. This country is up to its DEBT with China anyway !!
Posted by: maxpayne on Mar 25, 2008 12:48 PM   
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The only way this country is going to win against China is to first and foremost STOP DOING BUSINESS WITH THEM. It's bad enough that the American and a great deal of European big businesses are using "cheap" slave labor in China to keep the prices "low". Besides, where do those "tax cuts" for the wealthy elite and for wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and possibly to come Iran come from? The answer is simple. This country has been borrowing from China for at least a decade or two. And you can thank Nixon, Reagan, and the rest of the corrupt politicians for opening the doors to China on these dirty deals. At the rate America is borrowing very dangerously from China as well as terrorist harbouring regimes such as Saudi Arabia, Dubai, etc ... or even controversial nations such as Russia and Venuzuala, this "ownership society" is turning out to be worse than a sick joke. China won't have to use weapons on America since they have economic control.

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This Is A Psyop, Of Course
Posted by: blues on Mar 25, 2008 2:32 PM   
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A minority of Tibetan "monks" (there are many kinds) are burning buildings and overturning cars, apparently to get their old serf/slaves back. A certain rich US cabal is funding and using this to defame China. The Chinese have taken over most of our industry, since we were stupid enough to think they would do all our work for us. We now owe China something like $2 BILLION! So now, a certain US cabal wants to bully the Chinese to keep making computers for us anyway. Except, of course, China now has a complete nuclear arsenal, regularly launches "manned" spacecraft, etc. The Olympics were intended to promote peace. They are now used to promote war. Wait till the orange flags come to the US Olympics! The protesters will be shot here! They will surely get the old Waco Branch Davidian treatment here!

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So Quick to Meddle and Condemn
Posted by: dayahka on Mar 25, 2008 3:21 PM   
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First, what "free" countries? Surely not the militaristic police state known as the USA. Britain? Ha! Second, just what do you think the US government would do if California or NM or Arizona or even Vermont chose to separate off from the US? Sit down and talk? You must be on something. Third, if the Dalai Lama is so keen on non-violence, he should resign as political leader of Tibet. Fourth, why so quick to condemn other countries and to call them names when you can't do a thing about the genocide of Iraqis and other places carried out by the USA?
This article is just a plain old piece of nonsense.

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» RE: So Quick to Meddle and Condemn Posted by: manatthewindow
» Your analogizing is faulty Posted by: photon's feather
With Free Trade, USA does nothing even if China feeds her own People into Meat Grinders
Posted by: sofla100 on Mar 25, 2008 4:36 PM   
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You do need to ask yourself why the USA government is basically so supportive of China and her leaders. The USA took China off her list of the worst human rights offenders. But, if you read Amnesty or Human Rights Watch, instances abound of China using forced labor, torture and murder on a fairly regular basis. What we need to do is dismantle the unholy alliance between the USA corporate elite, her political leaders, and the Chinese Communist Party. It's an alliance cemented together on the altar of "free trade." Unless we can do this, the USA is going to do nothing to significantly criticize China for her behavior, even if she feeds her own people into meat grinders. Oh sure, the USA will stay busy criticizing Cuba and Venezuela, but, the USA never criticizes a country with significant economic advantage over her. China owns trillions in USA debt and supplies Wal-Mart with billions in cheaply made goods. Big donors to all the political candidates have a vested interest in seeing that China is kept happy. Therefore, China can do just about anything.

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jbizarre
Posted by: jbizarre on Mar 25, 2008 4:42 PM   
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American Buddhists should support the monks of Tibet in denouncing the very real human rights violations taking place now. We don't need the olympics that badly. China WILL respond to appropriate international criticism

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Difference between authority and power.
Posted by: wisegalah on Mar 25, 2008 6:01 PM   
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The people running China are often described as 'the Chinese authorities'.
They must love that because 'authority' is what they simply don't have. They have absolute power and are prepared to use it murderously to protect their positions and their front row at the trough. They will shoot down, or gaol and/or torture anyone who criticises them.

The Dalai Lama (about whom I have some minor reservations for other reasons) is hated by the Chinese government because he, in his own person, has more authority in Tibet than they can summon for the whole of China. His authority springs from his personal integrity, and from the freely given respect he receives from the people of Tibet. He could with this walk in perfect safety and establish a government of Tibet with a few words.

The Chinese government without the paid thugs known as the People's Army and the National Police would not last a week. The government is a collection of cowards, liars and mediocrities who are happy to have others pull the trigger on those who dare to question their privileges and view of the world.

Should we boycott the Olympics. Of course. It only benefits the corrupt Olympic organisation with its pretentions to significance and the murderous Chinese government. The athletes may be disappointed but that's life. Indeed any athlete of sensitivity would not be able to enjoy owning a blood-stained medal anyway.

Boycott and arrange another carnival somewhere else in a year or so.

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Georgebl
Posted by: georgebl on Mar 25, 2008 7:48 PM   
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Let me see if I have this straight. The UN Charter guarantees freedom of religion, i.e., separation of church and state. The US Constitution guarantees freedom of religion, i.e., separation of church and state. Now we are told that this isn't right. I guess this is so we can have more wars based on religion, right?

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Damn
Posted by: chlamor on Mar 25, 2008 8:55 PM   
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Looks like all the sensible and well-informed posts here that look beyond the latest liberal fetish are getting rated down.

I would be disappointed if my post that recommends folks look beyond the hallowed Dolly and inform themselves of reality received anything less than a kick upside the head from the liberal pacifists who use their privilege and hypocrisy so transparently.

What's not to like? The smiley guy defines trite. He says nothing, takes no position on anything, "stands for" individuality and personal liberty, laughs a lot, and asks only that you give cash. Meanwhile he is the "reincarnation" of some feudal tradition that is rotten to the core. All in all, he's perfecto for the liberal burbs.

The flight of the Karmapa Lama from Tibet

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For centuries the high Tibetan plateau has constituted a key strategic position within the region—long under Chinese patronage, and then after the Chinese revolution of 1911, used by the British in India as a buffer against China and Russia. Soon after Mao's peasant armies took power in Beijing in 1949, the Chinese army seized Tibet and in 1951 it was formally incorporated into China.

But the Chinese Stalinists were unable to create a stable social base for their rule. Beijing invariably approached religious and cultural questions in Tibet with the heavy hand of the state bureaucrat imbued with Chinese chauvinism. Incapable of eliminating social inequality, poverty and cultural backwardness, Chinese policy has in varying degrees combined brutal repression with pandering to Tibetan Buddhism in an effort to create its own officially sanctioned hierarchy of lamas through which to manipulate local politics.

China's brutish behaviour in Tibet created oppositional tendencies. Throughout the Cold War, the US was able to exploit as a means of putting pressure on Beijing. While not diplomatically recognising the Dalai Lama's government-in-exile, US administrations have in the past provided diplomatic, financial and even military assistance to the Tibetan priesthood. After China's takeover of Tibet in 1950, the CIA financed and trained Tibetans to engage in espionage and guerrilla activities against the Chinese authorities.

Details of the CIA's operations in Tibet have recently begun to leak out as former operatives have began to publicly reminisce about their Cold War exploits. An article in the US-based Newsweek magazine last August pointed out that the CIA's activities began as far back as 1956. While the Dalai Lama, keen to preserve his image as a man of peace, claims not to have been directly involved, his elder brother Gyalo Thondup was at the centre of the operations. According to the magazine's report: “Gyalo Thondup now says he didn't inform his exalted sibling about all of his intelligence connections at the time: ‘This was a very dirty business'.”

The Newsweek article explained: “Beginning in 1958, American operatives trained about 300 Tibetans at Camp Hale in Colorado. The trainees were schooled in spy photography and sabotage, Morse Code and minelaying. Between 1957 and 1960, the CIA dropped more than 400 tonnes of cargo to the resistance. Yet nine out 10 guerrillas who fought in Tibet were killed by the Chinese or committed suicide to evade capture, according to an article by aerospace historian William Leary in the Smithsonian's Air & Space Magazine.”

These activities culminated in an abortive uprising in Tibet in 1959, which was ruthlessly suppressed by Chinese security forces. The Dalai Lama, his close associates and thousands of other Tibetans fled to Nepal and India and established a government-in-exile, which received US and CIA support throughout the 1960s.

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martingale
Posted by: Motion on Mar 26, 2008 1:19 AM   
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This is what this supposed man of peace has to say about US aggression around the world (from Michael Parenti’s article):

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7355

“What of the four years of carnage and mass destruction in Iraq, a war condemned by most of the world—even by a conservative pope–as a blatant violation of international law and a crime against humanity? The Dalai Lama was undecided: “The Iraq war—it’s too early to say, right or wrong.”53 Earlier he had voiced support for the U.S. military intervention against Yugoslavia and, later on, the U.S. military intervention into Afghanistan.54″

And this so-called “champion of human rights”, unlike other Nobel Peace Prize winners, has refused to critisize the world’s greatest war criminal - George W. Bush. It seems that the Dalai Lama is against violence except when it comes out of the barrel of an American gun. Face it, the Dalai Lama has throughout his life been a willing pawn for US imperialism. That’s why he is such a darling of America’s ruling elite.

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syed mahdi
Posted by: salamah on Mar 26, 2008 3:10 AM   
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1.Whenever or, if ever, Mexico could become powerful enough it could, in principle, incite the Latinos to fight for the secession of Texas, New Mexico and California from USA, like what the USA has done in Tibet. Chew this cud!
2.The reincarnated Gipper, the one and only,GWB, wants his legacy to include HIS boycott of an Olympic Game. Ponder about this.
3. Things are not going well in the Middle East, for the US and Israel. This whole Tibetan drama is a timely distraction both want very much, each for its own sake. Readers of this newsletter know about the WHY on the US side. What they do not comprehend is that Israel also needs such distractions to give the 'opportunity' to complete the construction of SEPARATION WALLS and complete all their SETTLEMENTS while the World is looking elsewhere. Such distractions include the Iranian NUKE, the Hizbollah + Lebanon and the Hamas CRUSADES. One could rightfully ask, how Tibet is connected to the others. They are and they are not! They are because DISTRACTION is conducted by Mass Media and these are controlled by you know who. Such distraction is mostly aimed at Capitol Hill and you know who or whose money and muscles control these. But for this, there is no other obvious connections. Research this for believing.
4. Finally, this, "much to do about nothing" demonizing should stop because China will not let go of Tibet and East Turkestan just as the US will not let go of Texas, New Mexico and California AND the UK will not let go of N. Ireland AND India will not let go of Kashmir AND Israel let go of the West Bank and Gaza WITHOUT A FIGHT! Will the West risk a war with China for the sake of Tibetan Lamas? The Bushites are crazy enough to do this? May be! Who knows!

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yo
Posted by: yo on Mar 26, 2008 4:42 PM   
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Just to put the record straight, is everyone who are lining up to have a go at this entity called 'China' because its leaders have refused to allow its own citizens to witness on TV the horrendous arson, looting and the beating and killing of anyone who looks like ethnic Chinese or Hui Muslims seriously think it is such a good idea to do so? If so, I think you are seriously mistaken. Say what you may, the fact that major news organisations like BBC, Sky and CNN and others have carried stories of the supposed 'crackdown' resulting in 100 deaths ( unconfirmed) or as BBC would say 'not possible to verify' of 100 Buddhist monks and ordinary Tibetans in the 1st day of rioting attests to how irresponsible and provocative these 'unconfirmed reports' were. These blatantly bias 'news reports' would have in the 1st instant be like waving red rag at a deranged bull hence the reaction of the rest of the Tibetans in China to follow suit and to create more trouble for those entrusted to uphold the law. With the 'exiled government' in India fermenting unrest at every opportunity, is it any wander even moderate Tibetans would have been drawn into getting involved in the violence we had seen in Lhasa and the neighbouring provinces.

This 'stirring the pot' reminds me of what happened in Iraq, i.e. Western journalists and Governments choosing to listen to a few people who have their own agenda for seeing a country descend into chaos. The resulting illegal invasion of Iraq conducted in the name of the millions who objected to it is finally taking its toll on our world. Would oil prices be this high if the invasion had not taken place and the region was stable. How many lives have been lost because of this? Surely it is not beyond all the 'powerful nations' aligned against Saddam Hussein to get rid of him without setting the Middle East on fire.

Back to my original point - i.e. how serious are the journalists and news organisations in demanding that the Chinese authorities allow its own citizens to see what actually happened in the riots in Lhasa and surrounding provinces. You see, I guarantee you that the very same people making such demands now will be the same people who will condemned the Chinese authorities for letting the rest of the population
witness the violence perpetrated against the Han Chinese and the Muslim population. Why? How many million Tibetans are there in Tibet and outside?. And if you have a billion or more of the population against you seeking revenge because of what they have seen, you don't to to be a genius to see the consequences, say no more. Who is irresponsible now?

Another thing - why no reports or pictures in the Western news media of those who were killed in the riots in Lhasa? How about the 150 properties that were torched in the 1st few hours of the rioting in Lhasa? They were not very quick to show these scenes confirmed or unconfirmed were they?

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over the dead bodies of......
Posted by: denk on Mar 28, 2008 9:26 AM   
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**It would be great to watch the Olympics in Beijing this summer, but not over the dead bodies of Buddhist monks. **

so far what we see are dead bodies of old men, teen girls and young tibetan salesgirl...

there is a deluge of articles condeming china for.....putting down a deadly riot. especially in cif, the home ground of timothy ash.
here's just
one example...
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Promoting Humanitarian Imperialism in Cuba and Beyond

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