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ForeignPolicy

Afghanistan: The Brutal and Unnecessary War the Media Aren't Telling You About

By Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted February 26, 2008.


It's easy to forget that the road to Guantánamo began in places like Kandahar and Jalalabad.
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They say journalists provide the first draft of history. With the U.S.-led invasion of Afghanistan, that draft led to an almost universal consensus, at least among Americans, that the attack was a justifiable act of self-defense. The Afghanistan action is commonly viewed as a "clean" conflict as well -- a war prosecuted with minimal loss of life, and one that didn't bring the kind of international opprobrium onto the United States that the invasion of Iraq would lead to a year later.

Those views are also held by many Americans who are critical of the excesses of the Bush administration's "War on Terror." But there's a disconnect there. Everything that followed -- secret detentions, torture, the invasion of Iraq, the assault on domestic dissent -- flowed inevitably from the failure to challenge Bush's claim that an act of terror required a military response. The United States has a rich history of abandoning its purported liberal values during times of war, and it was our acceptance of Bush's war narrative that led to the abuses that have shattered America's moral standing before the world.

In his book, The Guantánamo Files, historian and journalist Andy Worthington offers a much-needed corrective to the draft of the Afghanistan conflict that most Americans saw on their nightly newscasts. Worthington is the first to detail the histories of all 774 prisoners who have passed through the Bush administration's "legal black hole" at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. But his history starts in Afghanistan, and makes it abundantly clear that the road to Guantánamo -- not to mention Abu Ghraib -- began in places like Kandahar.

AlterNet recently asked Worthington what that road looked like at its point of origin.

Joshua Holland: I think most Americans believe that we went into Afghanistan to rout anti-American or anti-Western "jihadi," but your book captures the fact that the U.S. entered on one side of a long-standing civil war that had nothing to do with any sort of "clash of civilizations" between East and West. Can you give us some sense of what that conflict was about?

Andy Worthington: Sure, it's a very good question, actually. Briefly, the roots of the conflict lie in the Afghan resistance to the Soviet invasion in the 1980s, when the United States, via Pakistani intermediaries, and the Saudis vied to fund the mujahideen -- Afghan warlords and their soldiers, backed up by a rather smaller number of Arab recruits.

At the end of the 1980s, when the Soviet Union withdrew, the country was plunged into a civil war, as the various warlords, pumped up with billions of dollars of U.S. and Saudi aid, fought each other to gain control of the country. Tens of thousands of civilians died, and crime and human rights abuses were rife.

Largely in response to this lawlessness, the Taliban -- initially a group of ultraorthodox religious students from the south of the country -- rose up to cleanse the country by creating a pure Islamic state. Their project, too, was soon derailed by brutality and by a religious fundamentalism that shocked the West, but it was the struggle between the Taliban and the warlords of the Northern Alliance that attracted thousands of foreign foot soldiers to Afghanistan in the 1990s, summoned by fatwas issued by radical sheikhs in their homelands, which required them to help the Taliban in their struggle against the Northern Alliance.

Osama Bin Laden, who had been living in Saudi Arabia and Sudan in the post-Soviet period, returned to Afghanistan in 1996 and became involved in funding military training camps and building up his plans for a global, anti-American jihad, but -- although there was some overlap between Al Qaeda and parts of the Taliban leadership -- the vast majority of the recruits, as I've indicated, were involved not in a grand "clash of civilizations" but in a provincial inter-Muslim civil war.

Holland: That's an important point. There's a common belief that a seamless integration existed between the Taliban and Bin Laden's group, and that integration justified our attacking Afghanistan, a nation-state, in "self-defense." But in reality, the Taliban was busy fighting this inter-Muslim civil war and had little or no role in Al Qaeda. Let's go a bit further: just how much overlap was there?

Worthington: According to a senior intelligence official interviewed by the journalist David Rose in 2004, the overlap was very small. Rose was told, "In 1996 it was nonexistent, and by 2001, no more than 50 people." Now this official was referring to an overlap of fairly high-level people in both organizations, and certain commentators have pointed out that Al Qaeda's "Arab Brigade" of around 500 soldiers contributed to the Taliban's military strength, but, to return to what we discussed before, this was in the context of an inter-Muslim civil war, and not a war against the United States.

There were certainly major divisions within the Taliban leadership regarding Bin Laden, and even Mullah Omar, the Taliban leader, was apparently unimpressed by Bin Laden in the years after his return to Afghanistan. In 1998, Omar had even been planning to betray Bin Laden to the Saudis, but when Al Qaeda attacked the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, and the U.S. retaliated by launching cruise missile attacks on training camps in Afghanistan, Omar drew closer to Bin laden. Even so, the Taliban offered to hand over Bin laden after 9/11 if proof was offered of his involvement in the 9/11 attacks.


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How US ruined Afghanistan to win Cold War
Posted by: Ydotheyhateus on Feb 26, 2008 5:57 AM   
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There was a point in Afghanistan's tortured history when the future looked bright, when a determined effort to lift the country and its people out of backward agrarian feudalism almost succeeded.

It began with the formation of the communist People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA) back in the sixties, which opposed the autocratic rule of King Zahir Shar. The growth in popularity of the PDPA eventually led to them taking control of the country in 1978, after a coup removed the former Kings' cousin, Mohammed Daud, from power.

The coup enjoyed popular support in the towns and cities, evidenced in reports carried in US newspapers. The Wall Street Journal, no friend of revolutionary movements, reported at the time that '150,000 persons marched to honour the new flagthe participants appeared genuinely enthusiastic.' The Washington Post reported that 'Afghan loyalty to the government can scarcely be questioned.

Upon taking power, the new government introduced a program of reforms designed to abolish feudal power in the countryside, guarantee freedom of religion, along with equal rights for women and ethnic minorities. Thousands of prisoners under the old regime were set free and police files burned in a gesture designed to emphasise an end to repression. In the poorest parts of Afghanistan, where life expectancy was 35 years, where infant mortality was one in three, free medical care was provided. In addition, a mass literacy campaign was undertaken, desperately needed in a society in which ninety percent of the population could neither read nor write.

The resulting rate of progress was staggering. By the late 1980s half of all university students in Afghanistan were women, and women made up 40 percent of the country's doctors, 70 percent of its teachers, and 30 percent of its civil servants. In John Pilger's 'New Rulers Of The World' (Verso, 2002), he relates the memory of the period through the eyes of an Afghan woman, Saira Noorani, a female surgeon who escaped the Taliban in 2001. She said: "Every girl could go to high school and university. We could go where we wanted and wear what we liked. We used to go to cafes and the cinema to see the latest Indian movies. It all started to go wrong when the mujaheddin started winning. They used to kill teachers and burn schools. It was sad to think that these were the people the West had supported."

Under the pretext that the Afghan government was a Soviet puppet, which was false, the then Carter Administration authorised the covert funding of opposition tribal groups, whose traditional feudal existence had come under attack with these reforms. An initial $500 million was allocated, money used to arm and train the rebels in the art in secret camps set up specifically for the task across the border in Pakistan. This opposition came to be known as the mujaheddin, and so began a campaign of murder and terror which, six months later, resulted in the Afghan government in Kabul requesting the help of the Soviet Union, resulting in an ill-fated military intervention which ended ten years later in an ignominious retreat of Soviet military forces and the descent of Afghanistan into the abyss of religious intolerance, abject poverty, warlordism and violence that has plagued the country ever since.

Brzezinski confirms: "Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention."

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» does it matter? Posted by: mjglow
» Yes Posted by: brunowe
oxheadone
Posted by: oxheadone on Feb 26, 2008 6:14 AM   
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This article is really shocking. The people of Afganistan must think that we are terrible people and also crazy. This is one of the last dividends of the cold war. Why did we have to support driving the Russians out of Afganistan in the first place. The US, in a sense, bought and paid for the rise of the Taliban and Al Qaida in order to hurt the Russians,who were having a bad time in Afganistan without our help. Perhaps 9/11 wouldn't have happened if we had stayed out of the area. It doesn't make any sense to use force to assure our middle east suppliers of oil; they have to sell the stuff; they can't drink it. The US oil companies allowed the cartel to develop; they controlled the refining. If all of this were not the real human and financial disaster that it it, it's really Gilbert and Sullivan without the music.

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» RE: oxheadone Posted by: Quannah
The peoples war
Posted by: carbon-based on Feb 26, 2008 6:21 AM   
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Very interesting article and I'm sure this book will be an interesting read.

Some of the comments and questions though presuppose that war is carried out in a civilized manner. To ask a 19 year old to go into a lawless foreign country and treat everyone like they were their mother would get you killed faster than anything else.

The US military hasn't changed it's tactics in Afghanistan or Iraq. Look deeply into Vietnam, Korea, WW2, American Civil war etc. torture and abuse abound on all sides.. It's the nature of war, life become worthless.

The real disconnect is with the American people. War is hell and "civil rights do not exist - do not be outraged when your military does what we, the American people, ask them to do - we are no better, or worse than anyone else in this regard!

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» RE: The peoples war Posted by: lefty010
Bull in the china shop syndrome
Posted by: Age of Reason on Feb 26, 2008 6:27 AM   
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We must withdraw our troops completely from the Middle East. This will certainly be a problem for the oil cartel but it must be done. The bull which has destroyed the lives of so many - both in the East and the West - is not the same bull that can help restore order and begin repairs to this devastated region. I am running for U.S. Senate from the state of New York with this as one of the many planks of my platform. Please check into my Facebook group site at:

Michael W. Lurie for U.S. Senate (note: a Facebook login is required) - please join - especially if you are a voter from New York - and see what you can do to help.

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Digg it?
Posted by: Joshua Holland on Feb 26, 2008 6:32 AM   
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I rarely make this appeal to readers, but this is an important interview and is unlikely to get a lot of attention because a lot of people have what we call "outrage fatigue."

Would you please take a moment to Digg, Delicio, Fark or whatever this piece so it gets a bit more attention? The buttons are on the upper right, where it says "Share and save this post."

Thanks,

JH

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Any hope?
Posted by: lefty010 on Feb 26, 2008 6:35 AM   
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I read this article just as I finished reading this passage in Naomi Klein's "The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism". It reads as follows: "The widespread abuse of prisoners is a virtually foolproof indication that politicians are trying to impose a system--whether political, religious or economic--that is rejected by large numbers of the people they are ruling. Just as ecologists define ecosystems by the presence of certain 'indicator species' of plants and birds, torture is an indicator species of a regime that is engaged in a deeply anti-democratic project, even if that regime happens to have come to power through elections".

When I read these stories I wonder when these monstrous abuses of power will end. I understand that this administration will end eventually (at the end of their term, since nobody seems to have the courage to rightfully impeach and then indict this group of criminals) but I've not heard one candidate make any definitive comment with regard to ending the atrocities at Guantanamo and elsewhere (somebody please tell me if I've missed something). I would say that the majority of people have no clue about what Gitmo and the myriad of other secret prisons means to the stability and perpetuation of some semblance of the rather dubious presumption of Democracy in the US. It begins to feel hopeless that the right thing will be done anytime soon by anyone.

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Don't disagree with the thrust of the article, but...
Posted by: brunowe on Feb 26, 2008 7:37 AM   
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...you've implied that military action in Afghanistan was unnecessary. Agreed that relations between the Taliban and al-Qaida were tense, and that an opportunity was missed in 1998 (although I'm unclear as to the extent the Saudis kept the U.S. in the loop).

However, three years later, the bounds were a bit tighter. al-Qaida's 055 Brigade had become a part of the Taliban's war effort against the Northern Alliance and at least one marital link (Mullah Omar Abdullah's son and bin-Laden's daughter) and been formed. The diplomatic isolation of the Taliban left them in no position to be choosy regarding Allies. Under those circumstances, the Taliban demand for proof can legitimately been seen as pretextual.

I think the point about our having intervened in a civil war is a good one. However, one faction was allied with an enemy of ours and one wasn't. Although the invasion wasn't a mistake, there were many that followed.

First, not have enough troops in Afghanistan, both to finish the job and to create an atmosphere of security in the country that would've left it unncessary to rely on the local warlords. Given that, both an army and a political structure that wasn't as dependent on them could've been created.

Second, as the interview mentioned, was the non-compliance with the Geneva Convention.

Third, by not recognizing that the military option in Afghanistan was the exception and not the rule in the struggle against al-Qaida and its affiliates and allies and that, for the most part, the methods would involve police and intelligence methods.

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A very low bar
Posted by: JohnJlws on Feb 26, 2008 8:16 AM   
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If 5% of what Andy Worthington states is true we should all feel great, great shame for where we have allowed this administration to take our country. And, with a national election looming, we had better be much, much more vigilant in our selection.

If we allow another person with this lack of moral fortitude, historical insight, or backbone to ascend to our presidency, I believe we should sound the death knell for this democracy. What a horrid, asinine, juvenile piss ant (and his tribe) we have directing this nation.

As we choose the next president, please take a moment and look at who each surrounds himself or herself with. Don't simply listen to the drivel a spouse or child espouses. Don't simply watch the commercials. Don't simply look at the inflammatory pictures and read biased blog posts. Don't listen to the swift boaters. Look at their advisors, see who it is that is influencing them, read as much as is possible to read.

Our Constitution demands we educate ourselves and our world is depending on us. Let's not let them down again--the consequences are simply too dire.

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» RE: A very low bar Posted by: lefty010
The fraudulent contracting in Afghanistan has also been forgotten.
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Feb 26, 2008 8:44 AM   
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A few examples:

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=13518

"Afghanistan, Inc.: A CorpWatch Investigative Report
October 6th, 2006"

"Massive open-ended contracts have been granted without competitive bidding or with limited competition to many of the same politically connected corporations which are doing similar work in Iraq: Kellogg, Brown & Root (a subsidiary of Halliburton ), DynCorp, Blackwater, The Louis Berger Group, The Rendon Group and many more. Engineers, consultants, and mercenaries make as much as $1,000 a day, while the Afghans they employ make $5 per day.

These companies are pocketing millions, and leaving behind a people increasingly frustrated and angry with the results.

Instead of reprimanding these contractors for their poor work, USAID announced a new contract totalling $1.4 billion awarded to the joint venture of The Louis Berger Group, Inc. and Black & Veatch Special Projects Corp. on September 22.

"It's a shame that after the disasterous performance of Louis Berger in Afghanistan in the last five years, the company has been awarded with such a large sum of money. It's telling that the punishment for wasting millions of taxpayers' money can get you millions more from our government," Nawa said of the new contract.


The shady contracting is as important a story as the torture and abuse promoted by Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Bush, Cheney, Miller, Abizaid, etc. and the links are the same, particularly to Cheney.

See also this from Corpwatch: Is the US War on Terrorism in Afghanistan really a war for a Caspian Natural Gas Pipeline? Maybe yes, and maybe no, 2002

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OK, here's what I think
Posted by: willymack on Feb 26, 2008 10:14 AM   
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Before you say "so, what"?, remember, this is important to thousands, er, maybe hundreds, or dozens, well, me, anyway. 1. Osama bin Laden was, and is, our man in the area, and was NEVER meant to be captured, let alone, killed. 2. Our crazy "administration" has, and is going to great lengths to put on a show of a dillegent search for a phantom who heads up an organization WE gave name to. The wanton killing of innocent civilians means absolutely NOTHING to a gang of criminals with no conscience or morals. 3. The opium crop is doing better than ever, thanks to the protection afforded by our armed forces. Why is this? Could it be that it's part of the "spoils of war", the profits made by banks laundering the drug money, and the kickbacks to the crooks in Washington? Just guessing here, folks. 4. The neocrooks responsible for the tragidies in Iraq and Afghanistan have an escape plan to avoid prosecution for their crimes, regardless of the result of the 2008 election, and it's probably a doozy. 5. We'll allow those criminals to get off scot-free because of deals already in place, and in the name of "national reconciliation' or some other flowery, bullshit phrase. I'd LOVE to be proved wrong, but I'm not holding my breath.

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» RE: OK, here's what I think Posted by: leafsong1
Terrorism
Posted by: Kitty Lady Oregon on Feb 26, 2008 11:27 AM   
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Terrorism is a crime, not a war. The original idea that it was appropriate to use the military to combat the crime was stupid and our leaders are all stupid or venal veyond all imagination. Teh 9-11 crimes would have been solved and somebody would have been in custody a long time ago if we had used law enforcement rather than the military who are not equipped or trained in law enforcement.
We have ruined two countries so far, and the bushies crime family want to ruin Iran too. Oh, how I wish they would all be tried in the world court for their crimes.

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Camp Iguana suicide
Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale on Feb 26, 2008 1:42 PM   
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One of the minors at Camp Iguana committed suicide. His name was Yasser Talal Al Zahrani
The link can be found here:
Minors at Guantanamo

This was a great article and at the same time very disturbing to read. The information needs to be aired. So many people are so ignorant about what is happening.

Barbara Olshansky is a lawyer at the Center for Constitutional Rights and I believe she too has written a book about this horror. I saw her interviewed on Democracy Now!. CCR is doing a lot of good work to help those poor souls.

I fear a lot of bad karma is attaching itself to the USA as a result of our war crimes.

Their website can be found here:
CCR

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and this is the war obama says he wants to ramp up,
Posted by: andrewstromotich on Feb 26, 2008 4:32 PM   
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along with a possible invasion of afghanistan. BOO_HA!

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Thanks to Andy Worthington for writing and to Holland for the interview
Posted by: CJC on Feb 26, 2008 4:40 PM   
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Worthington's name had already come to my attention in the past few weeks. He wrote an article with Carlotta Gall in the NYTimes and then had another piece on Gitmo.

The Bush administration - Cheney, Addington, Yoo, Gonzales, now Mukasey etc etc - have besmirched the American soul to say nothing of our reputation in the world. Torture, renditions, secret prisons, Abu Ghraib - I wouldn't even try for an exhaustive list. It's sickening, appalling, horrifying.

Torture is NEVER about getting information. "24" is not real life. It's TV fantasy. Torture is about sadism. It kills the souls of the torturers and their apologists faster than the pain it inflicts on the tortured.

Recently I was reading an account of Russian torture of a Polish officer during WW II. Not so long ago I would have been horrified and thought about the evils of the Soviet system. Now I feel sick that our government is doing the same - in Afghanistan, Guantanamo Bay, Iraq, rendering persons up to torturers in Egypt and Syria.

Are we not all ashamed??

Let's hope a new president next year will at least clean up Gitmo, hold onto and then try those against whom there's serious evidence and let the rest go. It's the least we can do.

Re Afghanistan - last Sunday's NYTimes Magazine (Feb 17) has a long article describing an utterly senseless military action in a remote valley along the Pakistan border. Our soldiers are dying and going crazy, we're killing Afghans - innocent and not so - and for what? Not clear at all.

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Ahmad Shah Massoud
Posted by: gradioc on Feb 26, 2008 5:24 PM   
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I'm going to come back to the original invasion of Afghanistan and defend it. Don't get me wrong; the actions of the US since that moment have been an atrocity and indefensible. However, I have no doubt that the top level of the Taliban government was aware that an attack on the US was going to occur, that they agreed in advance to protect Al Qaeda, and that the assasination of Ahmad Shah Massoud was their price for this protection. Just to refresh memories, (if it's mentioned above I missed it) on Sep. 9, 2001 Massoud, the leading military figure of The Northern Alliance, was killed by two Arabs posing as jounalists with a bomb diguised as a battery pack for a camera. It never was clear whether it was meant to be a suicide attack, but one of the assasins died in the blast and the other was shot trying to escape the camp. At the time it struck me as an Al Qaeda operation and I wondered why they were troubling themselves with such a sophisticated effort in a purely Afghan internal conflict. Two days later it all became clear. I doubt Mullah Omar knew the operational details of 9/11, or really had any idea of what kind of shitstorm he was saiing into, but I firmly beleive that at least he, and probably others in the top of the Taliban, knew something was going to happen on US soil, and this was their price for Bin Laden's protection. The US had every provocation to invade.

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abuses that have shattered America's moral standing sic LOL
Posted by: verite on Feb 26, 2008 7:51 PM   
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Must come from another planet.. what about (list of 52 countries "invaded").. US WMD genocide in Indo-China, the killing fields initiated after US actions, killing of elected leaders.. as in Iran, support of genocidal dictators all over from Indonesia to South America, School of the Americas, etc. ?Where has Josh been all his life?

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Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Feb 26, 2008 9:34 PM   
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100,000 people are DEAD

The Bush administration: Try 'em & Fry 'em

There’s no statute of limitations on genocide

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Title title...
Posted by: verite on Feb 26, 2008 10:01 PM   
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OK, Joshua, let us know of the wars that were not brutal and unnecessary.
Viz. all those non brutal wars and also necessary.

If you need help writing stuff, please get in touch via the alternet admin.

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» RE: Title title... Posted by: Joshua Holland
Coupla things
Posted by: g50 on Feb 27, 2008 2:55 PM   
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So, the Taliban is supposedly going to betray bin Laden, until the US retaliates to the embassy bombings by strikes in Afghanistan, and this brings the Taliban around to a pro-bin Laden viewpoint. If that is so, these people deserved to have Afghanistan invaded for being retarded. Being punished for some dude you apparently don't like is the perfect opportunity to go ahead even faster to turn over bin Laden, not pick a fight with the world's only superpower.

I didn't want war to be the response on September 11 either. But practically speaking, the invasion of Afghanistan was right. I wish I could go back to that time, and tell myself & others to learn Arabic & Persian & Pashtun. I think had the left not been dicking around in our comfortable settings and wasting our time with our protests and urgent meetings, and had instead learned the languages and went to work for the state department, the government would not today be in the stupidly blind position it is in, trying to deal with this problem with scarcely the intelligence & communications resources required to do it effectively.

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To Brunowe and his ilk
Posted by: wdednam2002 on Mar 1, 2008 2:31 AM   
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To us on the outside of the Good vs. Evil battle your government is engaged in, attempts to justify your government's actions in the 'War on terror' are meaningless. I as an African just want you to stop preaching to the rest of the world and stay out of our affairs. Your government has brought events like 9/11 down on its own people and don't expect us in the REAL WORLD to believe otherwise. We know what an Empire is when we see one, and like all Empires which RISE and then FALL, yours is in the LATTER phase. And please spare me any of your condescending replies, I won't let it roll.

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