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ForeignPolicy

The West to the World: Accept Our Values or Die

By Abid Mustafa, Middle East Online. Posted February 21, 2008.


The forceful imposition of Western values is far more of a threat to world peace than Muslim nations gaining WMD.
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Whenever western governments mention weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and Muslims in the same breath, the western media immediately breaks into a wild frenzy warning its people that a catastrophic event of epic proportions is about to unfold.

Old European fables of Muslims spreading Islam by the sword are reinvented to convey the impression that Muslims are extremely dangerous, highly irresponsible and pay scant regard to human life. Hence the mantra of disarming Muslim countries of WMD has become the rallying cry of the West directed against the Muslim world.

In some cases the arguments are extended to justify the West's ongoing policy of regime change in Syria, Iran and perhaps Pakistan. However, a close study of Islamic rule in the past contradicts the popular western myth that Muslims are bloodthirsty people anxious to wipe out the rest of mankind in the name of Islam.

The same however, cannot be said about the West. The West armed with its secular doctrine and materialistic world-view proceeded to exploit, plunder and colonize vast populations in order to control resources and maximize wealth.

In pursuit of these newfound riches the West succeeded in destroying civilizations such as the Incas, American Indians, Aztecs, and Aborigines. Those who survived colonization were forcibly converted to Christianity, stripped of their heritage and sold into bondage to western companies. For the indigenous people of Africa, India, Asia, the Middle East and others, the promises of freedom quickly evaporated and were replaced by colonial rule. Rather than show remorse towards such atrocities the West could only gloat at its achievements.

Technologies such as cannons, pistols, steam engines, machine guns, airplanes, mustard gas etc only hastened the acquisition of colonies and the exploitation of their people. Resistance offered by the natives towards their colonial masters was met by brute force -- often resulting in the destruction of entire communities. When the West was not destroying the natives they were too busy annihilating each other in a desperate bid to cling on to their precious colonies. World Wars I and II are prime examples of the destructive nature of western values.

This is a description of the Old World where countries like England, France, and Germany built empires and accumulated immense wealth on the death and destruction of millions of innocent people. Is the New World (America leading the West) any different today?

Take the example of the New World and its relationship with Afghanistan and Iraq. Liberation has become occupation; democracy has given way to colonial rule, devastation is termed precision bombing and the slaughter of innocent Muslims is described as collateral damage. Meanwhile, American and British oil companies are queuing up to exploit the oil wells of Iraq and transport the energy reserves of the Caspian Sea to Europe via Afghanistan.

The Islamic Khilafah in the past never treated mankind in such a barbaric fashion. Neither did the Khilafah spread Islam by force nor destroy civilizations. When Islam spread to Egypt, many Coptic Christians did not embrace Islam and today they still number approximately 7 million. Likewise, when India was opened up to Islam the inhabitants were not coerced into accepting Islam. India today has a population of more than 750 million Hindus.

Compare this to extermination of Muslim and Jews in the courts of the Spanish Inquisitors during the much-coveted European renaissance. Those Jews that survived this Spanish holocaust, were warmly welcomed by the Ottoman Caliphate. In Islamic Spain they flourished and became important members of Islamic society.

Today the world has more to fear from the destructive nature of western values than WMD. In the past these values were enforced upon nations either through direct colonial rule or through tyrannical regimes loyal to the West. Presently, the greatest danger facing mankind is the constant threat of the West imposing its values on the rest of the world through WMD.

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Abid Mustafa is a political commentator who specializes in Muslim Affairs.



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Define your terms
Posted by: csds49 on Feb 21, 2008 12:51 AM   
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Moving from the 19th Century to the 21st, what precisely does this guy mean by 'western values’? Science? Reason? Pluralism? Is it to much to ask that the author propose a set of values that are superior to those the west offers in order to help better illustrate whatever point it is he is attempting to make? This article is irrelevant drivel written after 10 minutes of perusing a history textbook. Certainly, you can say that this guy did not graduate from a western school of journalism nor did he apparently ever take a course in rhetoric at least as it’s understood in the West.

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» We're all brainwashed Posted by: fearn
straw into fool's gold?
Posted by: Lector on Feb 21, 2008 12:51 AM   
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The author's attacks on Western Civilization are not unjustified. However, he is also spinning straw, using the West's weakest points, focusing only on colonization’s negative consequences for his argument. At the same time there is no defense against the fact that power is the ultimate determinant in human society where two different civilizations continually are defending their interests and their will upon each other. I think the author here may be assuming that anyone reading this article has not read the histories of the Middle East or understands the true mission of Islam. In defense of the author, I must say the true mission of Christian culture (associated unfortunately with Western Civilization) is just as vicious and intolerant if it wants to be.

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Re: article
Posted by: emmas on Feb 21, 2008 1:55 AM   
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I'm not sure that promoting an 'islam=good; west=bad' mentality is any more helpful than the western media's constant portrayal of the reverse. It seems to me that doing so only functions to reinforce the 'us' vs. 'them' dichotomy that allows people to demean and dehumanise the 'other'.

I also don't think that those committing the war crimes (current or past)in Africa, south-east Asia, Latin America and the Middle East have even the remotest interest in promoting anything resembling morality, since they have none. 'Spreading democracy' and so forth is politicode for forcing other countries to put the interests of the United States and it allies ahead of their own, in order to put more wealth in the hands of those who already have so much that they couldn't spend it if they tried.

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» typos Posted by: emmas
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What are we comparing?
Posted by: Derek Maddox on Feb 21, 2008 3:29 AM   
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Are we comparing modern to modern? Or are we comparing ancient to ancient? Or are we comparing modern to ancient? A thousand years ago, practices we see now as barbaric were generally accepted. Rape and plunder were once the acknowledged right of the victor. Now these practices are repudiated by all "civilized" societies.

The fact that Muslims are, or can be, "extremely dangerous, highly irresponsible and pay scant regard to human life" are not being spread by centuries old fables of life during the Crusades. Indeed, I would be absolutely shocked if any US high school taught even one lesson about the Crusades.

No, such impressions are being spread by the evening news. Name one other religious group that is intimately associated with suicide bombings which kill innocent victims. Name one other religious group that condones the stoning of rape VICTIMS because they have dishonored their families. Name one other religious group that posts (regularly posts) videotapes of beheadings and other mutilations of their captives.

The actions of our ancestors, Muslim and western alike, are clouded by the passing of time and the incomplete and inaccurate nature of the existing record. The actions of our modern counterparts, however, are crystal clear and recorded in living (however briefly) color for the world to see.

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» RE: What are we comparing? Posted by: Overlord
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Only a complete ignoramus
Posted by: leland61 on Feb 21, 2008 3:32 AM   
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Could buy this moron's lines:

"Old European fables of Muslims spreading Islam by the sword are reinvented to convey the impression that Muslims are extremely dangerous, highly irresponsible and pay scant regard to human life."

What a blatant lie!! Islam did spread itself with fire and sword. It destroyed and subjugated with wild abandon. Where it gained ascendancy Muslims murdered women, children and men as if they were clearing brush on Bush's ranch. Those who were still alive after fire and sword did their work were reduced to near slave status, paid special taxes, were limited as to what sort of business they could enter into, and in some cases simply eliminated altogether.

Two current examples: Saudi Arabia - a ghastly remnant of the 7th century socially, culturally and religiously, using billions in oil money to spread a viscious brand of Islam around the world - Wahabism; allows no other religion to be openly practiced, etc.,etc.

Turkey - home of Eastern Orthodox Christianity. There are hardly any Christians left. Priests, ministers and laypeople still operate at their mortal peril. The restrictions on the Patriarch of Constantinople make any attempt to portray Turkey as a 'secular' democracy a total joke. No wonder the most EU members don't want them in the EU. It is like letting the fox in the hen house.

The list goes on, and on, and on, and on.

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» RE: Only a complete ignoramus Posted by: Overlord
» ...cont. Posted by: mjabele
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» RE: Only a complete ignoramus Posted by: Overlord
Overlord
Posted by: Overlord on Feb 21, 2008 3:48 AM   
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It amazes me when the west comes up to peoples around the world, lecturing them on human rights and freedom. It never is and never was about democracy. The war on terror is not an isolated event nor is America the sole evil empire, this is a chain of events which can be traced back. West and the USA is one. Their crimes countless. Unlike the perception that USA has promoted democracy around the world, the fact of the matter is that United States has promoted extremism and dictatorship world over. Whether it was Shah of Iran versus democratically elected Mossadiq, Coup against Chavez or support of Saddam Hussain (during the Iran War) and Housni Mubarik, United states has supported dictators and if people die in this process, so what? The brutal murder of millions of people from the hands of American soldiers be it Philippines, Korea, Vietnam and now Iraq and Afghanistan.
Before them there were the British and the French and countless other European powers exploiting nations, colonizing them calling them savages. Shipping 10 million Africans to work in plantations in the Americas, again stolen from the indigenous Indians who were massacred. Before that there were the crusades, religious fanatics murdering everything in their path. The list is too long to be listed here.
The war on terror is not an isolated event, nor the last. It has however removed the mask of human rights, freedom and peace from the face of capitalist colonial hegemonic west. They remain what they were in 1000AD. Blood thirsty plunderes. The world knows now.
There is however some hope, China and India rising economically, the day is not far when they will be able to challenge the hegemony of USA. Though the question remains, will they turn into monsters just like their predecessors.

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» RE: Overlord Posted by: RadicalPriest
Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Feb 21, 2008 3:49 AM   
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"Accept Our Values or Die" has been the deal all along. Both in foreign and domestic policy.


Direct Primaries!

Direct Elections!

Direct Democracy!

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salamah mahdi
Posted by: salamah on Feb 21, 2008 4:14 AM   
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If the article, as per the comments it elicited, was 'drivel, the comments qualify as being'venom'. My humble advice and sincere request to the commentators is to visit all the Asian, African, American countries which had the benign fortune of being blessed by the holy cross, the holy grail and the gun boats of the Whites during the past 500 years and ask them to evaluate the blessings received by their ancestors from the cross, the holy grail and gun boats against what they had to lose in lives, wealth, resources, civilizations and cultures. Only thereafter, these commentators would have the right to be judgemental.

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Bravo!
Posted by: hagwind on Feb 21, 2008 5:12 AM   
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An excellent and concise polemic that gets to the heart of the matter. The United States would never put up with the arrogance and manipulation by others that it expects everyone else to put up with from us. And it's so much easier to explain other countries' hostility with "They're bloodthirsty thugs" or "They hate freedom" (gahhh!) than by acknowledging we're treating them like sh*t. I've just been studying opinion polls taken in the U.S. about perceptions of Muslims and Islam. Very often the most negative opinions are expressed by those who know the least about what they're talking about. That's arrogance.

Not to mention that it seems bizarre to me that we're trying so hard to export values that are killing us off: Treat people like cogs! Buy lots of stuff! All's fair if it gets you rich! Rigged elections and bogus news are OK as long as you call it "democracy"!

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Sorry man, but
Posted by: argyle on Feb 21, 2008 6:18 AM   
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we are going to require that all governments be immune to the tides of religious fanaticism by having only the will of the governed as the basis of their legitimacy.

Eventually their will be no kings. No man will rule over another by right of birth. The vast centers of informational, economic, and political power that is today rested in the hands of the few will be peacefully broken apart. All the resources of the world, and all our vast technology, will be shared with all through a just meritocracy.

It is time to grow up, and it starts through removing the "will of the almighty as perceived through a man" as a just cause of anything at a civil level. The hand of the divine is sure and strong enough to sway the hearts of individuals in order that they might vote as "God intended".

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» RE: Sorry man, but Posted by: LeeAnnG
Uh huh
Posted by: g50 on Feb 21, 2008 6:51 AM   
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Yea, terrible western values like women's emancipation. A real threat to patriarchy in Saudi Arabia. Luckily Iran has no homosexuals, because otherwise it would prove terrible western values like sexual liberation are on the march. Oh right, in the Sudan, Muslims are only killing Christians.

Dude, every culture has jerkoff aggressors. There is also plenty of loveliness, whether in Cairo, Tehran, Paris or San Francisco. Okay?

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» Not OK Posted by: fearn
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Values
Posted by: grn1 on Feb 21, 2008 6:58 AM   
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aren't about what you get but what you can give."Presently, the greatest danger facing mankind is the constant threat of the West imposing its values on the rest of the world through WMD." Values, in a moral sense have been lost to western civilization, our foreign policy and what we have expected of our military in order to manage resources militaristically has become a bloody nightmare. Our congress will vote on another 200 billion, it is time to use this money to win the war through reparations and reconstruction for societies that have suffered immensely. Think of the suffering we could alleviate if all of us took that meeger bail the economy out refund and donated to war refugees.

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» RE: Values Posted by: g50
God: The Supreme Commander-in-Chief
Posted by: scott balogh on Feb 21, 2008 7:33 AM   
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The Bible (old testament) is the root of the Jewish, Christian and Islamic faiths. The old testament is loaded with stories of the most vicious conquests one could imagine. For instance, the siege on Jerico and Gods' command to Joshua to kill every living thing in the city has set the groundwork for subsequent conquests throughout history. None of these three religions have pure histories and the blame goes to their God and their faithful adherents.

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edgeofnowhere
Posted by: edgeofnowhere on Feb 21, 2008 8:06 AM   
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Certainly America is the greatest practitioner of armed aggression and vicious hegemony at the present time in history. Our support of dictators, our love of war and threat of war, and our disdain of and covert action against any kind of real democracy gives us a special place in the eyes of the rest of the world's inhabitants. This is not because we are Christians, although our we rely heavily on Judeo-Christian values to support our dreadful conduct. Rather it is because we are human beings -- an exceptionally vicious, acquisitive and war loving species. It is nice to lay the blame on some sort of religious beliefs, but history has proven that any and all religious groups are more than capable of murder and terror. Let us not forget the secular states that have performed atrocities quite on a par with their God-fearing counterparts. We shall need to look deeper into the human psyche to find the answer to Homo sapien's inability to use their powers of reason to overcome their innate proclivity towards aggression and acquisition. It would seem that the thin veneer of civilization and deductive reasoning is not
nearly enough to control the eons of aggression and murderous suppression of comptition that ensured our success as the hapless planet's dominant species.

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» Another "christian" speaks Posted by: Cathyc
My place of residence
Posted by: carbon-based on Feb 21, 2008 8:32 AM   
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Are we defending the Islam of TODAY, who threaten journalists for printing cartoons, beheads journalist and innocent people, torture civilians by the thousands, perform terrorists acts around the world, stone women for attending a soccer game or talking with a stranger, imprison people and administering lashes for walking a dog in public - that Islam?

Please, for all the faults of any western nation, Muslims today have proven to be among the most cruel and intolerant people in any nation.

Unfortunately, most Muslims are peace loving people and are caught up in the fanatical actions of the few. It's about time they stood up and denounced such actions and maybe the world would view them differently.

Just ask yourself - would you rather live in Iran or America (or any other western country).

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» Do the math Posted by: Crazy H
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Consider this...
Posted by: zeofredo on Feb 21, 2008 9:13 AM   
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I have given some thought to the difficulty Western people have feeling comfortable about Islamic culture in general, and have come to a partial conclusion that the fundamental, militant Muslim 'apparatchiks' (forgive the Sovietism!) wouldn't exist to such a strong degree without the presence of a real threat to their existence from Western measures of security and expansionism. Whether or not they are culpable for having some questionable practices in their societies which are worthy of criticism, people anywhere generally don't appreciate outside forces meddling in their affairs.

I believe we have created the fervent anti-West attitude in the middle East as a direct result of our policies that have kept Muslim societies much poorer and disadvantaged then our preferential trade partners. By keeping them out of a loop that would allow certain basic comforts for the general population, and showing gross favoritism to nasty systems like the Saudi monarchy, it leads to outrage and a sense of futility among the dispossessed members of society.

Provocation only leads to more provocation... especially when it's done on someone else's home turf and they have nowhere else to run, en masse.

I actually believe that certain progressive behavior, such as freedom for women and critical speech, could be a common feature of these societies as long as people felt they were able to achieve their aims in life. When you are under siege and foraging for food and water, or unable to work after graduation, or feeling powerless to provide for your family, I'm sure anyone in the West would in turn fall into the same unpleasant patterns of behavior that result from such extreme stress.

There is much that needs to be corrected in Muslim culture, but don't forget... it is also a continuation of Judeo-Christian theology, and those faiths have their own questionable histories of war against infidels and restrictive social control. We had our time in the dark not too long ago, remember...

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Western culture = White culture
Posted by: nfamous on Feb 21, 2008 9:37 AM   
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Let's stop calling it western culture just because there are plenty of non-whites that support it and have become willing and unwilling victims of it. Western culture is whiteness. It is being out of balance with nature. It is fear of anything that is out of one's control and different. It is cold and calculating. It is about the individual and not the collective. It is about taking what you want for yourself by force and leaving others to die. It is heartless and that is what white power has brought and wrought to this planet. It will ultimately destroy us without a violent revolution because the people in charge control the military, the police and growing private armies like Blackwater. It always amazes me how people will sign up for their own enslavement just for a paycheck.

White people view the world differently from all other races. Whites see everything as a competition and a struggle. It is a by-product of their evolution in colder, harsher climates where they had to be technologically savvy to survive. Unfortunately for the rest of the planet, whites have now taken their survival ideology to the extreme and now it is actually doing the opposite. White people need to look inside themselves and try to figure out why they see everything as a commodity or something to be exploited. Why is nature your enemy and not your ally? Only whites can save this planet. The rest of us can only delay it and hope that it's enough time for whites to stop their insanity.

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Sure sure
Posted by: daniel1982 on Feb 21, 2008 10:23 AM   
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The Islamic Khilafah in the past never treated mankind in such a barbaric fashion. Neither did the Khilafah spread Islam by force nor destroy civilizations.

Like all Muslims, Mr. Abid Mustafa suffers from revisionist history. Islam was spread by the sword. Thats a fact. The Islamic caliphate, in a period of about a hundred years, spread from Spain to Byzantium. Surely Abid does not think that these armies were welcomed. Does he think that Charles Martel wrote a strongly worded letter to the invaders that halted the Islamic expansion into Europe? Ha!

There are many skeletons in the Islamic closet, the problem is that the West is generally much more honest about its history - Muslims are not.

Apart from that, the article is mess. Take this line "Today the world has more to fear from the destructive nature of western values than WMD. ". He cannot possibly think that when someone talks about "Western Values", they're actually referring to the Inquisition, and not things like "Democracy", "Pluralism", "Liberty", "Women's Rights", "Individual rights". Values which are superior to the medieval ethics of Islam.

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Talk to a Muslim!
Posted by: zeofredo on Feb 21, 2008 11:22 AM   
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How many of the fearful people posting on here have actually befriended a person from the Muslim world? Even as a casual acquaintance... you will find that, like anyone else, they have a life independent of their faith. Even when they are devoted and serious, they will be friendly shopkeepers or hospitable neighbors.

I've enjoyed a glass beer with serious Muslims... just like Catholics (for instance) who are known to murder, sleep around or basically get in trouble, they are people who wriggle out of their religious obligations and just want to cut loose once in a while.

They are maybe more principled and disciplined than a lot of 'upstanding' folk that I see in the vanguard of our society, actually.

So break the ice: say 'hi' to a Muslim!

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You can tell
Posted by: willymack on Feb 21, 2008 11:20 AM   
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Our country is in trouble when, while lecturing your children on honesty, decency, and moral scruples, you can point to our fearless leader as an example of what NOT to be. You can tell our country is in trouble when you hope meaningful change is right around the corner, if ONLY those in power permit a free and fair election this time. You can tell our country is in trouble when, after a dismal failure at attacking and occupying a helpless country, our leaders want to do it AGAIN, and this time against a far better prepared and capable nation, and with an armed force that's exhausted, demoralized,and ill prepared for more war. This could be continued ad infinitum, but you get the picture by now.

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We need to make the best of Western and Eastern values.
Posted by: maxpayne on Feb 21, 2008 2:15 PM   
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My wife, although a Christian, was born in an Eastern value household. I had limited understanding of Eastern values until we got married. Since her parents taught her Eastern values while she grew up with Western values in school and with her friends, she never preferred one over the other. 5 years after we were married, I realized that Eastern values also have their ups and downs as the Western ones. Let's remember one thing. Those who try to impose Eastern or Western values in a forceful way like our current government and zionists are either the biggest abusers of values or are closest haters.

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The Crusades Continue, Hitler, Stalin and Bush Demonstrate It's More Recent Developments!
Posted by: sofla100 on Feb 21, 2008 3:34 PM   
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For those who like to talk about Islam by the sword, or something like that, I am not going to argue the historical record with you. But, I am going to tell you about a lot of hypocrisy and lies. The West has grown increasingly, and not less, barbaric, and today, it is the West that has thousands of weapons that can kill millions within minutes. It is the West that caused Hitler to come into existence. He was not a Muslim, and how many did he kill? He came from a Christian country. Stalin, he came from the Orthodox Christianity of Russia, and how many did he kill? Estimates go as high as 20 million. Now we have Bush, and how many have died underneath the banner of "mission accomplished?" He stands seconds away from pushing a button that can destroy the lives of billions (by unleashing nuclear war), and we are told how Christian civilization is improving the world and that it is less barbaric then the Muslims. On balance then, the Muslim civilizations, while perhaps non-diverse religiously, can be seen as more civilized in many ways. They don't practice the pretense of so-called "democracy," while keeping the vast majority of their populations in poverty. They don't send hundreds of thousands of soldiers to Christian lands to "liberate them," from "tyranny," with an eye constantly on the oil fields.

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Utter bullshattery.
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Feb 21, 2008 4:35 PM   
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requires no comment...

Other than a question: how do...

a) life expectancies

and

b) human rights

compare between "the horrible West" and the "sanctified ME"?

Hmmmm....?

Another "indictment of Western Civilization" easily dismissed as religionism. Someone tell me that's not the thrust of the prAggressive pulpit speaking...

P'raps the author hasn't been a beneficiary of a righteous raping in the name of a pervasive, state-sponsored superstition?

As Wallah wills it....

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Uri Avnery responds to the minions of David Horrorwitz/Daniel Pipes
Posted by: Ydotheyhateus on Feb 21, 2008 5:42 PM   
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Excerpt taken from Avnery's article on the so-called 'Clash of Civilizatin'

"...Islam is murderous by nature. Actually, "Muslim" and "terrorist" are synonymous. Every Muslim is a terrorist, every terrorist a Muslim.

A sceptic might ask: How did it happen that the wonderful Western culture gave birth to the Inquisition, the pogroms, the burning of witches, the annihilation of the Native Americans, the Holocaust, the ethnic cleansings and other atrocities without number--but that was in the past. Now Western culture is the embodiment of freedom and progress.

Professor Huntington was not thinking about us in particular. His task was to satisfy a peculiar American craving: the American empire always needs a virtual, world-embracing enemy, a single enemy which includes all the opponents of the United States around the world. The Communists delivered the goods--the whole world was divided between Good Guys (the Americans and their supporters) and Bad Guys (the Commies). Everybody who opposed American interests was automatically a Communist--Nelson Mandela in South Africa, Salvador Allende in Chile, Fidel Castro in Cuba, while the masters of Apartheid, the death squads of Augusto Pinochet and the secret police of the Shah of Iran belonged, like us, to the Free World.

When the Communist empire collapsed, America was suddenly left without a world-wide enemy. This vacuum has now been filled by the Muslims-Terrorists. Not only Osama bin Laden, but also the Chechnyan freedom fighters, the angry North-African youth of the Paris banlieus, the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, the insurgents in the Philippines.

Thus the American world view rearranged itself: a good world (Western Civilization) and a bad world (Islamic civilization). Diplomats still take care to make a distinction between "radical Islamists" and "moderate Muslims", but that is only for appearances' sake. Between ourselves, we know of course that they are all Osama bin Ladens. They are all the same.

This way, a huge part of the world, composed of manifold and very different countries, and a great religion, with many different and even opposing tendencies (like Christianity, like Judaism), which has given the world unmatched scientific and cultural treasures, is thrown into one and the same pot."

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West is generally much more honest about its history - Muslims are not.
Posted by: boundjymind on Feb 21, 2008 5:47 PM   
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There are many skeletons in the Islamic closet, the problem is that the West is generally much more honest about its history - Muslims are not. Join herpes dating site: herpesmates.com

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