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ForeignPolicy

The Theology of American Empire

By Ira Chernus, Foreign Policy in Focus. Posted November 7, 2007.


American foreign policy -- both good and bad -- has always been deeply influenced by Christian theology.
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American foreign policy is built on a deep foundation of Christian theology. Some of the people who make our foreign policy may understand that foundation. Most probably aren't even aware of it. But foundations are hidden underground. You can stand above them, and even take a strong stand upon them, without knowing they are there. When it comes to foreign policy, we are all influenced by theological foundations that we rarely see.

For example, few Americans have read the work of Reinhold Niebuhr, the most influential American theologian of the 20th century. Many have never even heard the name. Yet Niebuhr's thought affects us all. In the 1930s, he launched an attack on the liberal Christianity of the Social Gospel, a movement that powerfully influenced U.S. foreign policy in the first third of the 20th century. The liberals were starry-eyed fools, Niebuhr charged, because they trusted people to be reasonable enough to resolve international conflicts peacefully. They forgot the harsh reality of original sin.

Niebuhr wrapped that traditional notion of sin in a new intellectual package and sold it successfully, not only to theologians but to the foreign policy elite. Since the 1940s, foreign policy has largely been reduced to an endless round of debates about how to apply Niebuhr's "realism." Policymakers who still tried to follow the Social Gospel path have been marginalized and stigmatized with the harshest epithet a Niebuhrian can hurl: "unrealistic.”

It’s a Jungle Out There

Many policymakers, like much of the public at large, have come to find a strange comfort in the world as Niebuhr described it. They see a jungle where evildoers, who are all around, must be hunted down and destroyed. Though frightening, this world can easily become the stage for simplistic dramas of good against evil. And the moral certainty of being on the side of good -- the side of God -- can provide a sense of security that more than makes up for the constant terror. That was not what Niebuhr had in mind. But as he found out so painfully, once you let ideas loose in the world, you can't control what others do with them.

Niebuhr would have been pained to see what the neoconservatives have done with his ideas. Their theory starts out from his own premise: All people are born naturally selfish and impulsive. The godfather of neoconservatism, Irving Kristol, was (like most of the early neocons) an intellectual -- a teacher, writer, and editor -- and (like many of the early neocons) a Jew. But he turned to Christian theology to describe his Niebuhrian view of human nature: "Original sin was one way of saying this, and I had no problem with that doctrine." Selfish impulses, when they get out of control, can tear society apart, he warned. To preserve social order we need a fixed moral order. We therefore need a clear sense of the absolute difference between good and bad, strict rules that tell us what is good, and powerful institutions that can get people to obey those rules.

According to this worldview, organized religion has been the most effective institution to promote moral absolutes and self-control. Religion now needs to be strengthened to stave off a rising tide of moral relativism that, along with secular humanism, is breaking down the bulwarks of social order and threatening to release a flood of selfish impulse to drown us all in chaos. A favorite neoconservative columnist, Charles Krauthammer, complains that American mass culture, dominated by skepticism and pleasure, is an "engine of social breakdown." The best antidote would be a "self-abnegating religious revival." Since that is not likely to happen, Krauthammer admits, the best place to recover moral discipline and will power is in foreign affairs: America must find the will to exercise its strength and become "confident enough to define international morality in its own, American terms."

Original Sin Goes Global

When neoconservatives apply their views to international relations, they deviate from Niebuhr's teaching. All people may be sinners, they imply, but not all nations. They assume an (often vaguely defined) hierarchy of nations. At the bottom are the enemies of America, consistently described as chaotic, irrational monsters who are incapable of self-control and bent on provoking instability and evil for its own sake. Above them are neutral nations and then U.S. allies near the top of the pyramid. At the top is the United States, in a class by itself because its national motives are good and pure, somehow untainted by original sin.

Neoconservatives insist on this hierarchy, with its dramatic contrast between the good United States and its evil enemies, because it gives them the sense of moral clarity and certainty that they rely on to hold back the relativism they fear. They bolster their sense of certainty by reducing international affairs to simplistic myths: black-and-white tales of absolute good versus absolute evil. (Here I use the word "myth" in its religious sense of a narrative story that expresses a community's worldview and basic values.) George W. Bush tapped into this mythic world when he said that the war on terrorism is "a monumental struggle between good and evil. But good will prevail." The outcome is certain, according to Bush, because "we all know that this is one nation, under God." But Americans must do their world-ordering job pretty much alone, since other nations and international institutions are too selfish to be trusted. The United States must rely primarily on military might, since the only language that the sinful evildoers understand is force.


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Ira Chernus is a professor of religious studies at the University of Colorado (Boulder), the author of Monsters to Destroy, and a contributor to Foreign Policy In Focus.



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A Little Suspicious, Don't Ya Think?
Posted by: higginslads on Nov 7, 2007 1:40 AM   
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How can one write a 5-page article on "American imperialism" and not mention Israel? For a more accurate view of our current situation, I recommend James Petras' recent piece on the Zionist Power Configuration in this country. It makes a lot more sense than Niebuhrian theology theory. Reinhold Niebuhr as the compelling force behind US/Israeli wars. Unbelievable. What will they come up with next.

The Deadly Embrace: Zion-power and War: From Iraq to Iran

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War For Oil or War For Israel: The Public Record
Posted by: higginslads on Nov 7, 2007 1:56 AM   
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Zionist Power Configuration support for the Iraq War was an open, relentless, propaganda campaign by well-known writers, publicists, and community leaders as well as by the 52 leading Jewish organizations. There was ‘no conspiracy’ or ‘cabal’ – the Zionist campaign was brazenly public, aggressive and reiterative.

A systematic review of the major propaganda organ of the Presidents of the Major American Jewish Organization’s newsletter, Daily Alert, from 2002 to September 2007 – 1,760 issues – provides us with a scientific sample of ZPC opinion. On average, each issue contained 5 articles in favor of the war or moves toward war with Iraq and/or Iran. The Daily Alert featured op-ed articles by the major liberal, conservative and Zion-fascist writers and academics that regularly appeared in the Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, the New York Sun, and the New York and Los Angeles Times, the Daily Telegraph and Times of London, YNet and others. In other words, in the crucial pre-war to post-invasion period, the leading pro-Israel Jewish organizations produced approximately 8,800 pieces of pro-Iraq war propaganda and circulated it to all its member organizations, every Congressman, every leading member of the executive branch with follow-ups by local activists and an army of Washington lobbyists (150 from AIPAC alone) plus several hundred full-time activists from local and regional offices.

In a comparable survey of the leading Anglo-American business and financial newspaper, the Financial Times between 2002 and September 2007, regarding Big Oil’s policy toward war with Iraq and now Iran is just as revealing. I reviewed the opinion, editorial and letter pages of 1,872 issues of the Financial Times and there is not a single article or letter by any spokesperson or representative of a major (or minor) oil company calling for the invasion and occupation of Iraq or the bombing of Iran. There was no oil lobby or grass roots organization demanding Congress or the Bush Administration to go to war in defense of US oil interests. But the ZPC was active, promoting the lie that disarmed and embargoed Iraq represented an ‘existential threat’ to the nuclear armed Israel.

A similar comparison of Zionist and Big Oil regarding propaganda for a US military confrontation with Iran reinforces the argument of the centrality of the major Jewish organizations in promoting United States involvement in Middle East wars for Israel. Between 2004 and September 2007 (three years and nine months) the Zionist propaganda sheet, the Daily Alert, published 960 issues in which an average of 6 articles argued for an immediate or near future US or Israeli preemptive military attack on Iran, tougher economic sanctions than the Security Council was willing to support, organized disinvestment and boycotts of Iran. A survey of the Financial Times during the same period, 1,053 issues, (the FT prints six times a week, the Daily Alert five times), fails to produce a single letter or op-ed article by any representative or spokesperson of Big Oil supporting war against Iran. On the contrary, as was the case with Iraq, major oil leaders expressed anxiety and fear that an Israeli instigated war would destabilize the entire area and lead to the destruction of vital oil installations, undermine transport routes and shipping lanes and cancel lucrative service contracts. Contrary to the latest Zionist propaganda, Big Oil wants the US to lift its sanctions against investment in Iran, since it has lost lucrative deals to competitors.

Big Texas oil was working profitably with Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, signing hundreds of millions of dollars in illegal contracts with the now executed ruler (Financial Times, Oct. 2, 2007, p.2). The Deadly Embrace: Zion-power and War: From Iraq to Iran

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» RE: Of course they did Posted by: DesertStone
» Well, If the shoe fits... Posted by: yellow
» RE: Well, If the shoe fits... Posted by: DesertStone
And not only in foreign policies
Posted by: talkville on Nov 7, 2007 5:00 AM   
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"once you let ideas loose in the world, you can't control what others do with themonce you let ideas loose in the world, you can't control what others do with them."

The same dynamics as described in the excellent article above can be observed internally as well, and historically from the initial organization and inception of the country (starting in 1607, let's remember, and not in 1776 or 1787). By a curious process of fission, the USA was slowly dis-engaged from the matrix of 'mother England' - at that time Imperial (as it has always been and longed to be). Notions of Empire were not left behind and the theological and metaphysical beds upon which the main protagonists rested (in various degrees of comfort and luxuriance!).

It continues today, in foreign policy, in City, County, Town, State governments and at all levels -- in multiple and diverse forms, such as in the Universal and Absolute Idea of "Growth" as an end in and of itself. Zeal travels right along with the transmission of DNA. It's the purpose and driving conception driving such Tanks as the Heritage Foundation, Free Enterprise Institute, it's the Will -- either from on high in the Absolute Idea or transferred into Nature in various forms of Empiricism.

And it indeed runs deep. We are in the midst of the generational transfer of an un-finished project: the Prodigal Son (USA) re-commences where the Mother(Great Britain) left off. What is Real is the Idea and what is Ideal is the Real. All, as always, in yet another Absolute Idea: our "Minds"; effects are causes and causes are effects.

An interesting side-bar in these contexts: Oprah Winfrey's un-deniably ethical response to the expoitation of youth by personal and institutional Power and Authority. And yet: in front of cameras of global reach, in eloquent and elevated expression of facts and moral sentiment, a private United States Citizen spoke Above and Outside the sovereign governmental institutions and officials of an entire country: South Africa-- in effect dictating judicial policies and procedures in a non-democratic way to an entire presumably independent and soverign member of the United Nations. I can only hope this aspect of the event does not go un-noticed despite the 'moral clarity' and sound ethical response to the treatment of the young. Unfortunate too, I believe, is the choice of an animal (the mother bear in respect to the cubs) metaphor to indicate her desires with respect to child abuse.

"Models", "Masters", "Frames" constructed by some real, actual, flesh and blood human beings in order to FORCE and and Fit "Clay", composed of other real, actual, flesh and blood human beings has had a long, long history throughout the development and growth of our social organizations and relations. The task is not a simple and superficial one. My only hope left is that there may arise many much, much more care-full Artisans than lately experienced in this New American Century. The liberty, equity, dignity, respect and well-being (of which real flesh and blood individuals are capable) of ALL of us is once again in the balance.

When a "Model" maker, when a "Master" designer, when a "Frame" producer IDENTIFIES himself or herself with his product, I shudder every time! We can only expect the future we are making right now. Democratic participation is needed!

Let's reach towards past history and our accumululated SOCIAL wealth for guidance, and not for REPETITION and DUPLICATION. Another 600 years PLUS the intervening accumulation of a SOCIAL wealth ought not to be considered as a primary, dominating option and course of development, especially for the human side of the "human-animal" equation.

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Religion, Corporations and the Empire
Posted by: mmckinl on Nov 7, 2007 5:12 AM   
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Religion in conjunction with war began with the Indian Wars and continued with the idea of religious conversion " higher purpose" and the Protestant Christian mandate of "higher use of the land". Manifest Destiny was born.

The Mexican American War was largely the begining of Manifest Destiny by any means. Expansion to that point was by purchase agreement with European powers.The war largely pitted Protestants against Catholics. Gringo was actually a term of endearment given to the Irish Catholics who fought on the side of Mexico.

The Civil War began with the Abolishionists but was also triggered by the beginings of the Industrial Revolution and the near fruition of our continental Manifest Destiny. The Antibellum South stood in the way of Manifest Destiny due to their slave based agricultural economy that they felt would be overtaken by the economy and population growth of the north and midwest. The war was over property and markets.

The Spanish American War was the begining of the American Empire and the completion of the Monroe Doctrine (Manifest Destiny). It was over property and markets.

The "higher purpose" tenent of the Manifest Destiny was being spread throughout the Pacific Islands, the Phillipines, Japan and China by missionaries. Teddy Roosevelt used "higher use" to push aside Columbia for the Panama Canal.

The notion of "higher purpose" transformed into personal wealth. Once used to trade beads, personal wealth, was soon folllowed by all the trappings of sovereign capitalism, property ownership , real and intellectual.

WWI was the crusade of the religious Wilson but more importantly the transformation of aristocratic sovereignty into capitalistic sovereinty from Germany to the Ottoman Empire. It was also the transformation of " higher purpose" and "higher use" to mean Capitalist Democracy and International Institutions. We see this in Wilson's heartfelt plea for the League of Nations as Manifest Destiny.

WWII was a war over resourses ("higher use") and markets ("higher purpose") being confiscated by non democratic sovereigns. War only started with the direct attack on our protectorate Hawaii that was immediately seen as an attack on our Manifest Destiny.

The Cold War was of course about both property and markets, but also about the threat to capitalism altogether , "higher use" and "higher purpose" and also Manifest Destiny itself. One must remember that the real winner of WWII were the communists. Russia had taken Eastern Europe , Mao was taking China and communist movements spanned the globe, though most were nationalistic in character. Fully 60% of the worlds population was under communist rule.

Religion was revived to fight communism. God in the pledge of allegiance, God on our money and God to the world , especially toward those countries that had a deep religious history as in South America and the Middle East.

Christian theology ,"Higher Use"and "Higher Purpose", had been transformed into resources and markets , property rights and personal rights (wealth). Today in the most Conservative Evangelical Churchs capitalism and Christianity are used in the same sentence. Manifest Destiny has been transformed into multinationalism, both institutions and corporations.

Throughout our history Christianity has been used to legitamize and sanctify the imposition of capitalism around the world. From the epithets of heathen and savage , to 'White Mans Burden" to "Social Darwinism" to "God Fearing" to finally "developed vs undeveloped" religion has morphed into markets , resources and property rights from "higher purpose" and "higher use". And Manifest Destiny has become the neoliberal econometrics used to continue the era of colonialism into the 21st century for the multi nationals.

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More than anything.....
Posted by: reval on Nov 7, 2007 5:13 AM   
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..... this article provides all the evidence one needs to understand what happens to anything when an idea BEGINS with religious delusion. It has nowhere to go but batshitty.

Reject dogma, doctrine, myth and superstition. Seek knowledge and elightenment. Question "authority." Demand evidence. And above all remember.... religion poisons EVERYTHING.

Protect yourself from this virulent mental disease.

~Rev. El Mundo
Pastor, WVCSR

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» RE: More than anything..... Posted by: thekidde
» RE: More than anything..... Posted by: molliev
» RE: More than anything..... Posted by: jbur816
» Old Testament bs? Posted by: reval
» RE: Old Testament bs? Posted by: jbur816
"The problem is not Christianity...
Posted by: wawa on Nov 7, 2007 5:53 AM   
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"But that too few have actually done it!"-G K Chesterton

Last night I attended a frenzied cult event; John Hagee's CUFI celebration of violence, power, control and negation of the gospel Jesus preached: "It is the peacemakers who are the children of God."

From one end of the stage to the other, the American and Israeli flags were draped and by the end of the evening I imagined every star on the red-white-and blue had morped into the Star of David.

County Commissioner Joe Martinez pointed to the flags and exclaimed:

"Isn't that beautiful up there together? Iget goose bumps! All nations have been created by an act of man, except Israel was created by an act of God."


President George Washington, warned in his Farewell Address:
"The nation which indulges toward another...is in some degree a slave...a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils."


On June 8, 2007, this reporter attended the 27th annual American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee’s Washington, D.C. Conference.

It was 86 year old, walker-bound Congressman Paul Findley, a moderate Republican who blew my mind that day, when he addressed the luncheon crowd:

“I was here for the first convention 27 years ago and I still have a fire in my belly for the civil and human rights of Arabs. It is time to speak openly and honestly about Israel. But, in American politics, that is still forbidden.

“…Pity that we cannot seem to shed our fear of Israel. We are afraid to speak out on Capitol Hill, for fear of losing the next election. They are more like trained poodles jumping through hoops than leaders!

"Why this fear? How did we get here?

“Forty years ago to this day, June 8, 1967 the change occurred, the floodgates opened and money poured into Israel as never before. When President Johnson heard about the U.S.S. Liberty being attacked by Israel he ordered the rescue fighter planes to return to the deck. The rescue mission was aborted and the survivors have said they heard LBJ’s voice tell Admiral Giess, 'Get those planes back on deck. I don’t care if the ship sinks, I will not embarrass Israel.'

“LBJ also threatened to court martial anyone who reported what had happened. Johnson accepted Israel’s false claim of “mistaken identity” and he knew it was a lie. That is when the change began and Israel learned they could get away with murdering U.S.A. soldiers."

Eileen Fleming,
Reporter and Editor http://www.wearewideawake.org/
Author “Keep Hope Alive” and “Memoirs of a Nice Irish American Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory”
Producer "30 Minutes With Vanunu."

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» Mike Huckabee & "acts of God" Posted by: war_on_tara
Great Article, but I think more discussion is warranted
Posted by: SufiLizard on Nov 7, 2007 6:24 AM   
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I think this article is largely right on the money in identifying some of the underlying forces at work in our society.

I think he's on the right track with his recommended course of action, but I don't think it's quite "there" yet. I think the message we need to develop needs a little tinkering to really appeal to "middle America."

Though I'm a liberal, I live in "middle America." These are the people I interact with day in and day out. And I think some sort of reformation is needed in Christianity to bring a better world view into the mainstream. And I think Dr. King's message is the right way to go -- although you also have to acknowledge the sad fact that racism still plays a large role in too many people's views.

But I think going back to some of the great movements in American history can appeal to everyone. Look at the early Quakers who provided the womb in which our Democracy was born (Philadelphia). And again, it was Christian ideals the fueled the abolition movement.

We need to build a mythology around the Christian history of the U.S. that focuses on the truly positive contributions of Christians, and excludes the many negative affects.

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thekidde
Posted by: thekidde on Nov 7, 2007 8:56 AM   
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I say to "hell" with ALL religions. They are derivative, myth-based bullshit made up by creatures uncomfortable with their sentience and mortality. Ethics and morality have to do with our ability to think, not the threat of punishment if we "do wrong". Unless and until humans rely on intellect and the necessity of the "commons", we'll all keep killing each other over greed, power and control and "god". Wow, we've hit the 21st century and we're still thinking as Neandertals (with apologies to Neandertals).

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» RE: thekidde Posted by: molliev
Dominion
Posted by: healinghawk on Nov 7, 2007 9:15 AM   
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While this article says much that I believe, it misses the elephant in the living room: a presupposition of dominion granted by God in the King James Version of _The Bible_. We have to go deeper than we've ever gone before to discover how true we are to our belief that we, as Americans, hold dominion, thus own the right to do as we please to whomever we please in order to promote our interests at the expense of others. Dominion is the source of the profoundly arbitrary winners/losers binary opposition that goes largely unexamined at the core of the American project in the world. That US foreign policy reflects dominion, and inspires hatred, is a truth that must be ferreted out, because of the way we obscure our belief in our dominion. When we examine dominion we find it morally infantile. US foreign policy will remain immoral and unproductive, from a true security view, as long as dominion remains hidden in our subconscious way of being in the world.

We can't live out MLK, Jr.'s creed and hold onto our belief in our dominion over others. That this thoughtful inquiry into the roots of US foreign policy missed dominion speaks to its obscured yet supreme place in the American psyche.

Dominion is defined as a supremacy in determining and directing the actions of others or in governing politically, socially, or personally: acknowledged ascendancy over human or nonhuman forces such as assures cogency in command or restraining and being obeyed.

Dominion guarantees injustice (denying to others the means to a full life), which produces hatred of the sort that drove the jihadists on 9/11.

In a world of depleted resources, dominion is not only morally unsupported but strategically disastrous.

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» RE: Dominion Posted by: VannaLaRoche
Bravo.
Posted by: hellofriends on Nov 7, 2007 10:08 AM   
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And glory to god in the highest for this outstanding and graceful article.

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Logical Fallacy
Posted by: TedKelly on Nov 7, 2007 10:13 AM   
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I agree with the below statements about the failure to include any mention of Israel, and only brief acknowledgment of the late coinjoinment of Neo-Conservatism and Zionism.

What bothers me about this essay is the false generalization that "American foreign policy" has "always" been a construct of Judea-Christian values. I'm tired of hearing people call this country a Christian nation, one whose foundation rests on the shoulders of Jesus and Moses. That's absurd.

Our "founding fathers" were not Christians. They were not Jews. And I resent the misinterpretation of these deists' work to be muddied by a religio-political agenda.

Furthermore, that claim goes unsubstantiated throughout the essay, where there is only one reference to a political strategist, movement or event that occurred before the 20th century. What about the rest of American history?

I'm on board with the fact that this century and last were defined by a military and consumerist sensibility that was justified on the high altars with religious reasons. But this religious revival came in the 19th century, then colliding with the industrial revolution and subsequent consumerism that spawned the bloody turmoil that was the 1900s.

These United States are not owned by Christians, Jews, or any other religious group. No religion can claim ownership or kinship with the formative documents of this country, because those who penned them were strictly non-affiliated. The foreign policy of late is not dictated by religious leaders, but motivated by the economic convictions of the military industrial complex. Any fear-based justifications or divinely-inspired sentiment are shorn from the anxieties of the people who don't benefit from mass killings, and propagated for the sake of the zealots who carry out their work.

It's those people over the last century-and-a-half that robbed us of America, those people who played the game of socio-economic King of the Hill, in the wake of devastating world wars that started declaring this nation, this historical adolescent, the greatest nation. From here on we stopped being a land of uncompleted, though exemplary political and social revolution, and became like many of our predecessors in history. An empire. Domineering, conniving, and unabashedly arrogant.

Show me something more godless than that.

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» Thomas Jefferson was a Deist Posted by: vasumurti
» James Madison was a secularist Posted by: vasumurti
All right
Posted by: willymack on Nov 7, 2007 10:31 AM   
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This article is somewhat accutate in spots. I take exception to the "influence of Christian theology" part. Our "leaders" are quite aware of the fact that believers are NOT thinkers, and are therefore more succeptible to hucksters and purveyers of political BS than those who subject their blathers to critical scrutiny. The sad fact is that this country has far more believers than thinkers, and so the band plays on.

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Whose Theology?
Posted by: aberdeen on Nov 7, 2007 10:45 AM   
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American foreign policy doesn't do anything that Jesus taught to do. That is what is wrong with it.

If American policy did what Jesus taught, there would be no poverty, there would be no war and there would be no walls in the way of poor people trying to feed their families.

Why can't liberals tell the truth for a change, instead of critizing a worthless religion that doesn't remotely represent it's supposed founder?

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ClassAct
Posted by: ClassAct on Nov 7, 2007 10:50 AM   
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It is claimed that the rejection of Vietnam policy occasioned a backlash of moral certainty, but the rejection was itself the moral certainty. The backlash offered a revision of morality that was not authored by the public themselves, but by a professional punditry whose paychecks are signed by those who have always claimed moral certainty for themselves.
In service of this new moral certitude, media distorts and even manufactures false information. Consider, for instance, right wing bete noire Dan Rather upon whose dismissal eulogies for his career noted his story from Afghanistan – except Dan Rather has never been to Afghanistan! That story was admitted to be fictitious a couple of years after it was aired, nevertheless the damage it was intended to cause was done and now no one even remembers.
The fact is that belief in “God” is logically nothing other than the claim by the believer to divine infallability – it is the claim that “God” shares one’s opinions, otherwise one would change them to match the divine opinion. Buddhism is a prominent religion that does not believe in “God.” The supreme being would be under the same kind of limitations of perception as his creation, as noted by Kant in Critique of Pure Reason, in opposition to the opinion of Liebnitz. Debates about religion and moral certainty beg the question, importing the issues they pretend to resolve in the language of tautology.

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Wow, a guy named Ira telling us
Posted by: jbur816 on Nov 7, 2007 11:17 AM   
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how Christian theology is ruining our foreign policy. No mention of Israel. Interesting.

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» RE: Wow, a guy named Ira telling us Posted by: Joshua Holland
» Just seemed ironic Posted by: jbur816
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» RE: Just seemed ironic Posted by: jbur816
Religion and Morality
Posted by: Elmo409 on Nov 7, 2007 1:26 PM   
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According to this worldview, organized religion has been the most effective institution to promote moral absolutes and self-control.

Humbug! Just another one of the many flawed arguments which attempt to paint religion as a force for good. Organized religion is a divisive force which promotes conflict and prevents people from coming together to solve common problems in the real world.

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Religion Is Not At Fault
Posted by: gradioc on Nov 7, 2007 5:48 PM   
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I disagree with most of the posters here, for I do not blame religion itself for the evils done in its name. Religion, and the endless variety of opinions on it, are just another way that humans identify themselves with a group.Humans are a tribal species. It's built into us. We are constantly aware of the "us" and the "other". Religion is just another way to make those distictions. The teachings of the religion are really unimportant. Humans demand that there be an "other" to feel superior to. For some reason it is central to being human. Take away one distinction and we will create another, even if we must create it out of whole cloth.Sports team allegiance is a prime example, and one of the more innocous ways we create tribes. But create them we will. We crave conflict and rivalry.As an example I would offer many of the posters above who cannot fathom an article about just about anything that is not fixated on Jews and Israel. News Flash; Israel had very little bearing on the Mexican-American War or the Spanish-American War.

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Arrogance Precedes Theology
Posted by: dayahka on Nov 7, 2007 7:56 PM   
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How sad! A mostly barbarian "civilization" that can count the number of molecules on the point of a pin is surrounded by mobs of deluded creatures praying to, worshipping, and justifying their behavior on the basis of invented and imaginary beings.

While it is OK to remind us of long-forgotten theological controversies, the article misses some key facts. One is that the "I am right and you are wrong" attitude comes long before theology (a discipline with an imaginary object). Another is that you can't talk about America as the "chosen people" without bringing in the whole delusional Jewish (and now Israeli) experience of being arbitrarily selected for esteem and preeminence.

At the basis of American foreign policy is delusion and arrogance--and theology is just a cover.

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Christ was not a peaceful man
Posted by: Kenny on Nov 7, 2007 10:10 PM   
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Numerous passages in the NT squash the notion that Christ was a peaceful man: He advocated murdering disobedient children for example (Mark 7:9-10). This professor needs a Skeptic's Annotated Bible, stat.

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The building of the US empire was always justified by religion. We are the modern Israelites.
Posted by: yellow on Nov 8, 2007 9:38 AM   
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What 17th century English Protestantism did was universalize, politicize, secularize and transcendentalize the Exodus Narrative of the Hebrews entering Canaan from the Old Testiment so that it became a new political paradigm of conquest justified by the sanctification of G-d of the worthy chosen ones over the unworthy "savage" natives. The "savages" are purported to lack the grace of "G-d" because they don't have a work ethic, lack a concept of private property, don't accumulate and expand stocks of goods and wealth and don't exploit the environment but live harmoneously with it. Places like North America and South Africa became the promised land and the Dutch and British settlers became the new Israelites. European capitalism was sanctified by religion which is why it sees itself as having a transcendental connection to Zionism. In a way, the Zionist paradigm began over 400 years ago but was hardly Jewish!!

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I am SO tired of this
Posted by: poetdowns on Nov 11, 2007 4:17 AM   
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Christian this, Christian that -and you know what? No, it's NOT. And independent media is in the same boat as corporate media, when they simply parrot someone's claims. Watch, here's the difference: 1. "Bush is a Christian leader" 2. "Bush claims to be a Christian leader". You see the difference there? You know how i did that? 'Cause i actually know what the word "christian" MEANS as it was originally used. Happily, anyone can learn this since it's defined in the book of Acts.
Apparently, accuracy is no longer important (at least not when the word "christian" is involved). Allow me to demonstrate. You can walk into McDonald's and call yourself a hamburger, but that doesn't make you one. Now if i'm writing this story, i would think: Hmm, i really don't he's a hamburger so i'd probably go with "Bush walks into McDonald's and proclaims himself a hamburger." Thus, i have accurately reported something in an accurate fashion.
"Christian" foreign policy? "Christian" leader? Are you kidding me? Look at a man's actions to see if they match his words before you blithely help him create an image he tries to sell to the public. Christ said to give water to the thirsty, not blow up their water purification plants so that hundreds of thousands of innocent people die of thirst. That's our foreign policy. What's next? "Bush is the president 'cause he says so". Really? No. Facts = less, than someone running their mouth. You want to know about American foreign policy? Go read William Blum.
It offends me to see anyone try to wrap their self in holiness; and it offends me even more when nobody will call them on it. That's not reporting, that's joining the cheerleader squad. I am sick at heart and sick to death of hearing my country being called what it's not, instead of being made into what it could be.

Poet

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American Foreign Policy is UnChristian
Posted by: Celtic2 on Nov 11, 2007 4:52 PM   
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When exactly has the U.S. Foreign Policy been influenced by Jesus?

Here is an example In regards to American Foreign Policy by former CIA Agent William Blum:

“No matter how paranoid or conspiracy-minded you are, what the government is actually doing is worse than you can imagine."

"From 1945 to 2003, the United States attempted to overthrow more than 40 foreign governments, and to crush more than 30 populist-nationalist movements fighting against intolerable regimes. In the process, the US bombed some 25 countries, caused the end of life for several million people, and condemned many millions more to a life of agony and despair."

"The Soviet Union and something called communism per se had not been the object of Washington's global attacks. There had never been an International Communist Conspiracy. The enemy was, and remains, any government or movement, or even individual, that stands in the way of the expansion of the American Empire; by whatever name the US gives to the enemy - communist, rogue state, drug trafficker, terrorist."

"Our leaders are cruel because only those willing to be inordinately cruel and remorseless can hold positions of leadership in the foreign policy establishment ... People capable of expressing a full human measure of compassion and empathy toward faraway powerless strangers ... do not become president of the United States, or vice president, or secretary of state, or national security adviser or secretary of the treasury. Nor do they want to."

Former CIA Agent William Blum, author of Rogue State, A Guide to the World’s Only Superpower

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