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War on Iraq

Reflections of a Vietnam War Widow: It Doesn't End When They Come Home

By Penny Coleman, AlterNet. Posted June 25, 2007.


The Department of Defense recently announced that it was hiring additional mental health professionals to deal with the stream of traumatized vets returning from the occupation of Iraq. A widow of an earlier war warns that the effort may be too little and too late.
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Daniel O'Donnell photographed by Penny Coleman in 1972.
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Daniel and I met at a campground in the Rocky Mountains six months after he got home from Vietnam. It was 1970, and I had just graduated from college. I had helped Abbie Hoffman levitate the Pentagon and turn it orange. I had listened to Jimi Hendrix make love and war to "The Star Spangled Banner" at Woodstock. I had helped organize the campus shutdown when we found out that Nixon had secretly been bombing Cambodia.

But in my world, people got deferments. I didn't actually know any veterans. And here was this sweet, pretty boy who had seen the war up close. He suggested that if I brought over my wine, he would share his marijuana. We sat up talking by the campfire all night, and by morning I thought I might be falling in love.

We had one glorious summer on the back side of Vancouver Island, camping on the beach, playing in the water and in each other. By the end of the summer, we had made plans. It was not an easy marriage. He was hurt in ways I didn't understand. I can't know whether he would have been able to tell me where his sadness lived, but I was high on righteousness and he was high on everything else. Perhaps if I had been more open-minded, he would have felt safe enough to talk. I wish I had been able to listen better, but I was 22. And I had no idea what I was up against.

Daniel and I would have fights, the kind of fights that most couples have, but his rage was explosive and frightening, and after it burned out, he would take to his bed with the blinds drawn. All he would tell me was that he wasn't sure whether or not he wanted to live. I took on the job of saving him. I read him poetry, held his hand, played him meaningful songs.

Six years later, when things were really coming apart, I came home one night and found him in the back yard, mostly dead from the fistfuls of pills he had swallowed. The swirling red lights and the ambulance ride and the hospital scene were a brutal and abrupt end to my childhood. He screamed at me from his hospital bed that he would do it again as soon as he was released. I decided that was extortion and left. When his sister called to tell me he had made good on his promise, the guilt and shame I felt made it impossible to grieve.

I tell the story today because I believe one of the reasons the occupation of Iraq has been allowed to continue for as long as it has is that, beyond the relatively small circle of military families, the individual costs have been so successfully obscured. With the exception of the appalling images from Abu Ghraib (which were e-mailed home by soldiers themselves), we have been insulated from a war that is being fought in a manner that would sicken most of us if we had access. Vietnam-era images, like the naked child trying to outrun her own burning skin, or the anguished women and children waiting their turn to be executed at My Lai, were catalysts that helped turn public opinion against that war. On the eve of the invasion of Iraq in 2003, the Pentagon issued a directive to the media forbidding any coverage of returning American coffins. No coffins, no funerals, no wounds, no tears. We've been deprived of the opportunity to check in with our consciences and our compassion.

We have also been deprived of an honest appraisal of what the future mental health care needs of veterans will be. Inconvenient truths have been buried about the ways in which war predictably damages soldiers' minds. Those who are coming back from these new wars have already been changed. Some may discover places in their psyches where their combat memories will not be overly disabling, but far too many have been seriously injured by their experiences, their futures irreparably diminished.

At some point, years later, I began to understand how insidiously my experiences after Vietnam had poisoned my life. I was afraid to begin relationships and afraid to end them. Every time one of my children got a C on a chemistry test, I would be thrown into a state of panic. The fear of suicide followed me around like a deer fly, always on the edge of my consciousness.

When the news reports claiming that the number of Vietnam vets who had killed themselves after coming home from the war exceeded the number of names on the Wall, a different understanding began to penetrate. What if Daniel's death had not been my fault? What if it was, in fact, the war and not some personal failure?

Having entertained the possibility that perhaps I was a war widow and not a black widow, I started looking for other women who had also lost their husbands to suicide after the war. My book Flashback is the result of that outreach. The years of research, the interviews, and the soul-searching that went into that effort have begun some kind of healing process. I have a bit more compassion for that young woman who failed to save the man she had tried so hard to love. In my less healthy moments, I still struggle to believe it was not my fault.

In the wake of the Iraq war, a new generation will struggle with similar problems. Thirty-five percent of returning vets have already sought out mental health treatment since coming home, and, as the symptoms of PTSD often take years to manifest themselves and the stigma still discourages many from asking for the help they need, these numbers are only the ominous beginning. Moreover, every war not only creates its own casualties, but reignites the symptoms of veterans of previous wars. The Washington Post reported a year ago that 'Vietnam veterans are the vast majority of VA's PTSD disability cases--more than 73 percent." Ten thousand of those were new claims filed by veterans who were entering the system for the first time, more that thirty years after their war came to an end.


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Penny Coleman is the widow of a Vietnam Veteran who took his own life after coming home. Her latest book, Flashback: Posttraumatic Stress Disorder, Suicide and the Lessons of War, was released on Memorial Day, 2006.

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This ain't 1972
Posted by: eddie torres on Jun 25, 2007 1:39 AM   
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There was a draft during the Vietnam war. Also, marijuana was weak in THC content. And LSD was more commonly available than mass-produced serotonin re-uptake inhibitors like MDMA and TCAs.

Maybe US baby boomers just hallucinated everything before 1982 and now, 25 years later, their doctors are better at telling patients to shut the hell up and stop crapping out poorly conceived children.

As if they'd listen.

Also, many returning Iraq vets have already made sensible personal economic decisions by joining paramilitary and mercenary outfits like Blackwater and CACI.

Start worrying about which baby boomer US politicians and technocrats will order merc outfits to patrol the streets of US cities after God sends "disasters" to test everyone.

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» RE: This ain't 1972 Posted by: kamcallen
At the End of the Day
Posted by: Captainmagic on Jun 25, 2007 5:13 AM   
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Your going to come home.....your going to eventually ask yourself some very, very hard questions. You are human after all and it does not matter what race you are. You chose a ticket for the wildest ride of your life and then you will come home and ask for forgiveness, knowing all the while that it is not yours to ask for.....you have participated in the unforgivable and, where as at first you relished the challenge you have then moved to a slow realization that sweeps into your life...(lets call this maturity shall we), and you ask yourself "what exactly was I doing?" After time, and realizing that you lost many a brother to what would be rationally described as a "lost illegal cause". You ask yourself "Why was I there at all?"
When your chickens come home to roost, the guy in the mirror is not that other person you once knew but it is still YOU
Don't implode as so many do. There is a great bunch of people out there who have been there and made the same errors as you. And they will want to help.
To the people in the peek hour traffic running late for work be very mindful of the returned soldier...if you find one imploding give all the love and care to make him human again, you might make a difference ..but on the other hand, if your in the traffic and you find one exploding...run for your dear life.

"An Honorable cause fought honorably is a salve for the heart."

The opposite is sole destruction...you have to live with yourself...many won't because there is not one honorable thread running through any recent venture conducted by the US Army.
And for the responsibility of that.......... go no further than YOU the general public and your Leadership .....for validation, go for a stroll down a corridor in one of your vet hospitals...put 2 and 2 together and you see what we see. Multiply it by many a thousandfold and you see what Iraqi's see. USofA stamped all over it.

Captain OUT

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» RE: At the End of the Day Posted by: armybrat8
A Vietnam vignette
Posted by: HughScott on Jun 25, 2007 6:35 AM   
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In 1966, after two combat support tours in Southeast Asia as a KC135 tanker pilot, weary of LBJ’s war and mad as hell at the way he had mismanaged it, I resigned my commission and joined Continental Airlines.

Following Boeing 707 training, I began operating civilian contract flights as a first officer for the Military Airlift Command (MAC) to South Vietnam.

For five years, I flew frightened teenaged GIs to Cam Rhan Bay, Bien Hoa, Da Nang and other in-country air bases. On return flights, my Proud Bird brought back old soldiers with young faces and a lifetime of nightmares ahead of them.

In 1970, I picked up a load of grunts at Da Nang going back to the “world” (USA) after finishing 12 months in country, with an interim stop at Okinawa for processing.

Wearing fatigues splattered with mud and blood, the Marines boarded my Boeing and sat down in comfortable one-class accommodations with plenty of leg space unlike nowadays.

Thirty seats were empty. Before engine start, the manifesting officer, a jerk Marine major, told me in an almost bragging manner the missing troops had been killed or wounded that morning at a hot landing zone before choppers could fly them out.

The same asshole then made an announcement over the PA system he thought was funny, saying the Continental jet with five friendly flight attendants onboard was a trick way off taking the grunts back to the LZ. Nobody smiled, much less laughed.

Several days later, after another Da Nang turnaround and a layover on Okinawa, I left nonstop for California with the same group of Marines in back.

At first glance during boarding, they looked completely different: showered and shaved, fresh haircuts and new uniforms. Still, their faces were the same, unsmiling and suspicious, as though the MAC charter was indeed like the asshole major at Da Nang said―a sly method of flying them back to Nam.

Following takeoff when the meal service was complete, I strolled through the cabin to see how the combat vets were doing. Some were dozing, the rest awake and reading magazines. I couldn’t help noticing what kind. Almost all were comic books.

After my initial surprise, I theorized why the childish publications were so popular. It seemed to me the seasoned jungle killers were still teenagers inside, trying to regain what LBJ’s war had taken from them: the last year of their adolescence.

I see the same tragedy happening in Iraq. Like Vietnam, Gulf War 2 is being fought mainly by kids from low-income families. So-called “volunteers,” they joined the military to escape poverty, only to lose their lives and limbs while sons of rich Republicans sit smugly at home watching the action on Fox News―elitist little pricks sipping Classic Cokes and munching buttered popcorn as less fortunate citizens their age are getting killed and wounded in Iraq, the whole time wishing to hell they’d never volunteered in the first place.

Democratic Congressman Charley Rangel, a decorated Korean War vet, wants the draft reinstated. I do too, if nothing more than to build the character in young Americans our nation so desperately needs. But mention forced induction to Republicans and they throw up their hands in horror. God forbid their precious GOP offspring having to endure boot camp much less combat.

And why should they serve? With 34 million Americans living in poverty under Bush economic policies favoring the wealthiest citizens and 45 million without medical insurance, there is plenty of GI cannon fodder to go around.

NOTE: The vignette is from my 2004 nonfiction book, George Dub-ya Bush, THE PHONY FIGHTER PILOT. To read a synopsis and sample chapter, visit PhonyFighterPilot.com.

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» RE: A Vietnam vignette Posted by: bob t
PTSD - one siz doesn't fit all
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jun 25, 2007 7:13 AM   
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PTSD is a broad and general name that can and is applied in too many ways. Our people returning from the war should not be clumped together and given a label. They do not all have the same problem. They require individual diagnosis, care and treatment. That's part of the arrangement. WE OWE THEM. If it's too expensive and inconvenient remember this all could have been avoided. It's not a time to be selfish. What a sad story. Thanks, ANNA

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Angry ex soldiers back home
Posted by: apeshow on Jun 25, 2007 7:29 AM   
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Once these troops come back many of them hating bush and US imperialism we should see a second revolution begin. This time the people are on their side and their voice will be heard. Woe to the chickenhawk who stands in an Iraq vets way!

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Married to a Vietnam Vet
Posted by: eksommer on Jun 25, 2007 7:50 AM   
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Penny Coleman's article brought me to tears this morning. I am married to a Vietnam Vet who still suffers from PTSD 35 years later. She is right: it is not curable. My husband is not a whole person. Part of him will always be in Vietnam, even if he manages to get through each day, those close to him know.

I see many others like him. They are doctors, lawyers, successful businesspeople. But you can tell. Their wives can tell. Then there are the hopeless cases: the homeless, the substance addicted, the ones confined to mental institutions.

Penny is right also in saying that we need this out in the open. War kills in many ways, and some of the most dead are the ones walking around. They may think those who did not make it back are the lucky ones.

The only cure is stop the wars. Stop training young men and women to kill. Stop putting them in situations where they are responsible for the deaths of thousands of people.

Having an armed service is important to the overall safety of any nation, but blindly going into war for economic or political reasons is morally wrong, is a waste resources, and puts dedicated soldiers in harms way for no good reason.

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» understood circumstance Posted by: pito516
The Horror
Posted by: R.I.P. on Jun 25, 2007 7:55 AM   
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Every word in this article is true. When I returned from the Vietnam war I tried to continue my life pretending I was the same guy I was before I went. Inside my head I knew better but all attemps at leading a "normal" life were in vain. The only good outcome of the insanity I saw as the Vietnam War was the belief that this country had learned a hard lesson and we would never do anything so damn stupid again.
This article tears at my soul ..... as I too have hurt many people I loved - and there is no way to undo my own horror .... late in life... knowing this . Rip Tragle

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olliesmom
Posted by: olliesmom on Jun 25, 2007 9:20 AM   
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Thank you.

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That was a beautiful story
Posted by: JBravoEcho11 on Jun 25, 2007 9:29 AM   
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It was very lyrical. I'd like to see more articles like this one. Keep telling your story.

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Survivor's Guilt
Posted by: pcushniesr on Jun 25, 2007 10:06 AM   
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Great article. Causes me to think...

I joined the Marine Corps in 1962 after I dropped out of high school in my senior year, the reasons for which I will not bore you with. I chose the Corps because it had always been talked up by a close friend of mine whose older brother had served in the Marine Corps Reserve, and everything my friend’s big brother John did was to be lauded. If John had been in the Navy, I suppose I would have become a sailor. While still pre-pubescent boys, we vowed that if there was ever a war, we would join the Marines and go right in. As it was, my close friend never felt the inside of a uniform, the bastard.

More generally, I joined the service at that time because it was job almost anybody could get and the village I lived in (yes, it was really classified as a village) was not long on jobs for high school dropouts-- or anyone else, for that matter.

In 1962 I was as callow, self-centered, and uninformed a youth as could be found. I had never heard of the country of Vietnam. What was simmering there, getting ready to boil, was unknown to me. But, even if it had been, I probably would have done the same thing. I’m sure I would have had no real appreciation of what it might mean for me and so many others. Of course, I learned about Vietnam after I began active duty.

So, did I go to Vietnam? No. I had other experiences, to be sure. I was placed “in harm’s way” in other places and other ways, but I never had to shoot anyone, nor did anyone ever shoot at me. Hurl rocks and shout epithets, yes, but no shooting. In that sense, my rich uncle smiled on me.

I was released from active duty four years and four months later, having been caught up in a four month involuntary extension. I left the Corps with a refined knowledge of killing (though never used), drinking, and fucking (these last two were put to use at every opportunity), and an intense loathing of the military life. By that time in 1966 (October, it was) Vietnam had reached a boil, and I counted myself fortunate that I had fulfilled my military obligation without getting my ass shot off or my psyche wiped. I had no reason to feel guilty.

Or did I? Herein comes the irony. In those days after the service and right up to today (and I am now 63 years of age), part of me _does_ feel guilty. I should have been there, too, that part of me thinks. Who was I to get off so lightly while my brothers in uniform suffered and died? Logically, this is all pure foolishness and I know it. I went where the Corps told me to go and I was not told to go to Vietnam (I would have, unquestioningly, because I was too dumb to do anything else) and that was a process over which I had no control. No matter. I still feel that twinge from time to time. Survivor's guilt and I wasn't even there. Go figure.

I’m not sure why I’m writing this, or what I think anyone is supposed to get out of it. But I’m going to toss it into the mix anyway and see if it lumps up or blends in. What the hell.

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» RE: Survivor's Guilt Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: Survivor's Guilt Posted by: travman67
The ripple effect..
Posted by: heavyhart on Jun 25, 2007 1:28 PM   
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I, too, am the widow of a Marine who committed suicide. He flew medical evacuations around Khe Shan and Da Nang in '68. He struggled to fit in, but lost that battle in the summer of 1983.

Thank you for sharing your story. I knew him for nearly 4 years prior to marrying him, but that still didn't prepare me for a serious episode after a major trigger event set him off.

He'd been married before to someone he had met while finishing flight training, shortly before shipping out. They had little chance to get to know each other, and he returned a completely different man than had left. There is a reason that the Corps tries to deter the Marines from marrying prior to going into combat.

I thought, with so many former military members in my family, that I understood, more than the average lay person, what demons tormented him. I was naive.

Recounting the events is still painful and frightening, and I have had to do it a number of times. I recognize all the emotions and doubt that you described, been there, done that. And we were still together when it happened.

As horrifying as those events are, the additional shock of what the VA did, and failed to do, years after his death reopened the whole event for me in technicolor. No, those darn files didn't burn in St. Louis. The degrading, labyrinthian, de-humanizing, incompetent and inconsiderate treatment by the VA, both state and federal, is breath-taking and daunting....I cannot imagine what the veteran, alone, ill, frightened, and humiliated must feel as he/she enters the maze, "abandon hope all ye who enter here" would be a good guess. Daunting is an understatement.

It is a testament to their courage, honor, and integrity that scores of them didn't go postal. SALUTE. WELCOME HOME. WE LOVE YOU, MISSED YOU, NEED YOU. IF YOU COULD LOOK INTO THE FUTURE AND SEE THE RIPPLE EFFECT THAT YOUR LOSS WILL LEAVE FOR THOSE YOU LOVE AND HOW MUCH YOU ARE LOVED, NEEDED, AND WANTED, YOU'D PROBABLY CHOOSE DIFFERENTLY. WE MUST ALL SHARE THE BURDEN OF WHAT HAPPENED THERE, NOT JUST YOU.

And thanks to you for sharing. Namaste. May your Vet have found the peace he so desperately craved.

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» RE: The ripple effect.. Posted by: armybrat8
The General Returns Home From War...
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jun 25, 2007 3:03 PM   
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It's always worth looking at how the upper ranks of the military fare in a war like Vietnam. They don't suffer from much PTSD, as they didn't spend much time hunkered down in foxholes or patrolling rice paddies. They didn't see their friends blown apart in front of their eyes, though they may have read the reports.

Take Colin Powell as an example. Here is the Vietnam-era officer with experience in Korea and Berlin who was tasked with 'responding to' the My Lai massacre. One of his comments at the time was "In direct refutation of this portrayal is the fact that relations between American soldiers and the Vietnamese people are excellent."

Another famous comment by Powell after the collapse of the Soviet Union was that "I'm running out of enemies here!". This was supposedly a joke.

Powell moved on to serve in the military during the Reagan-Bush years, and then under GW Bush, where he played a key in promoting the war against Iraq when he repeated false claims about Iraqi nuclear and biological weapons before the UN security council. As a moderate Republican, his opposition at that time could probably have halted the war - but he went right along with it.

Powell says that he is haunted by his memories of Vietnam, but how must it feel to be a key part of the creation of a new Vietnam experience for a new generation of well-meaning but deceived military recruits? Is Powell going to be haunted by his memories of Iraq?


Remember: War is a Racket!

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T Connely (A Veteran Of The Lost War)
Posted by: tconnelly on Jun 25, 2007 10:10 PM   
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"It don't mean nothin!"
No one listened to me when I came home from Vietnam that war screws with the mind. No one listened to me 20 years later when I went to the VA and said the war was still screwing with my mind. No one listened to me four years ago when I said that if we go to war it's going to screw with the soldiers minds.
Now we lament about all the poor men and women suffering from the aftermath of war. Being a veteran of a war really is meaningless and I do feel very insignificant because the knowledge I have does not bear the same weight as that of the opinions of men with power who no nothing of war but have the power to wage it. Another generation of veterans will be screwed up and they won't speak out because they will want to believe their cause was just and so it goes.

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Why are we so surprised.
Posted by: osd on Jun 26, 2007 5:22 PM   
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We have been using the men and women of this country since the Korean War to pave the way for corp. Then turned our backs on the physical/mental wounds that come home with our vets. After World War I the White House had the nerve to ride them down, with drawn swords on the White House lawn, because they were asking for what was promised them. The military Industrial complex has got to go and all the war profiteers removed from office no matter what there party.

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Saddening
Posted by: bob t on Jul 15, 2007 2:24 AM   
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This is a deeply saddening and mournful article. May articles like this burn into the minds of every american just as the vets war experiences are burned into their minds and then into the minds of their loved ones who try to help them and love them. But to accomplish no cure, only moments of respite from their war experienced agonies.

It's just way far to easy for the wealthy and religious right wingers and all their enablers to profit from these wars. And all the while our troops pay either the ultimate price quickly or live a lifelong terror; a terror unto the third generation. As the sociologists tell us it takes the average family three generations for a family to 'recover' from the horrors of war.

And what of the arabs of Iraq and Afghanistan, how long will it take their families to 'recover', maybe never. Do we all remember the crusades. The pope of the first crusade may have gone on to his eternal whatever but the arab psyche is so deeply 'burned' that they have not yet forgotten even after all these centuries.

The popes of WWII who endorsed and supported Hitler and the Nazi Party have gone on to their eternal whatever but the jews who suffered from the Holocaust have it 'burned' into their psyches and have not forgotten those horrors. And if the arab experience is any indication the jews will not forget for many centuries if ever.

There are jews who post at this and many other forums and have not gotten over the damage to their psyches of being called Christ killers. And I to hear their pain, and I am pained especially being a catholic from whence the term Christ killer originated.

And now we have another warcommitted by the so called right wingers.

And they call themselves pro-lifers, when they are really pro-deathers.

Far too much power in the hands of right wingers and their enablers allows them to kill for profit(no diplomacy and no negotiations, just kill for profit) while others pay the price.

I would like to burn these many war horrors into the minds of the Bushies and the Republicans and their religious and corporate enablers. Were that possible, future wars for greed and profit would be far less likely.

But they don't experience the horrors they are so willing to cause others. And that is why I also think as Charlie Rangel does that the draft should be brought back. If the self righteous right wingers, especially those who are so quick to judge and condemn others and the right wing religious leaders
like Robertson, Dobson and the Pope would suffer the same fate they so easily force onto so many others war would again be far less likely.

I want the Bush children, and the Republican party members children and the children of Rove, Rumsfeld, Gates, Cheney, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Joe Scarborough, Tim Russert, Chris Matthews, Pat Robertson, all the members of Regent Univ, all the members of Liberty Univ, Scalia's children/grandchildren as well as those of Thomas, Roberts and Alito, Rupert Murdoch, Bill Kristol, Peggy Noonans daughter and all their enablers children and others of their ilk were to have to face the threat of actually directly participating in the wars they so easily send others and others children off to fight then war would most likely come to a dead stop; at least pre-emptive wars of choice and for profit would end forever.

We need to kick the right wing scum down the stairs of their ivory towers and out the doors of their gated communtiies and directly into the war zone. Hello Gen. Hayden(Irish Catholic Pittsburgher) may your children/grandchildren have to share in the price to be paid for your right wing war stupidity. I hope you are listening to me with your computers at the NSA and CIA.

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