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War on Iraq

What's So Wrong With Wearing Heels and Makeup?

By Susan Park, Sirens Magazine. Posted June 18, 2007.


Women in the military are expected to suppress as many of their feminine qualities as possible -- as if that will make them more competent. Why do so many people still think that dressing femininely translates into being silly?

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"You girls are too pretty to be in the military," was the backhanded compliment my friends and I would often receive. This always irritated me, and for good reason -- but, when I thought about it, I believed it. I wanted to be a female who was too pretty to be a Naval officer. I wanted to wear my favorite Club Monaco pencil skirt instead of the high-waisted, polyblend pants that made my hips expand and my butt flatten.

But I couldn't. For some reason, I had to admit, when I put on that unflattering uniform and forfeited my feminine fashion, I became more competent as a Naval officer. Still, the worst part of all this is that even though we give up our femininity as soon as we lace up those wretched combat boots, we still haven't achieved equality -- in the military or the civilian world. (Especially since women still aren't allowed in special operations units, including the Navy SEALs.)

Consider: A friend of mine is a Marine Corps officer. She was a cross-country runner during college and a math major to boot. She's the epitome of a strong, capable woman and what the Marine Corps looks for in its officers. But they are going to be losing her as soon as she can get out. "I just want a job where I can wear makeup and high heels everyday!" she told me. Not exactly a scene from "G.I. Jane," is it?

However, it is a symptom of what's wrong with attitudes toward what is feminine. What's so wrong with high heels and makeup? Putting yourself together attractively is an exhibition of your self-respect and confidence. When she expresses her desire to do just that, she's scoffed at. And yet she can do the job just as capably as her counterparts who don't don threads that look like something out of InStyle.

Honestly, I wouldn't complain about this if women were treated somewhat equally, even with their sacrifices. I know it's bound to be harder to be a woman in male-dominated areas like the military. However, the suppression of feminine qualities isn't getting us equal treatment either. I have another friend, for instance, who is in pilot's training and is forced to work harder, longer, and better than the boys. Male pilots even say to her, "it's only because you're a girl," when they all check the schedule and see her name appear twice as often as theirs (to push her at a pace where she she'll be more likely to fail). I know she's strong enough to handle the torment, but it still infuriates me.

A recent New York Times Magazine article, "The Women's War," reported the much higher incidence of sexual assault of females in the military and exposure to trauma. Despite the fact that women now make up 15 percent of the ranks worldwide, the deep-seeded problems in these organizations have changed little. Embracing our penchant for Charles David wedges isn't going to change such disturbing systemic problems, of course -- but the failure of even female military types to accept girlier qualities does say something about why it's so difficult to change the testosterone-fueled culture.

I didn't want to believe that these problems still existed in the military. Those of us who serve want to become a part of an organization that is supposed to be greater and better than we ever could be as individuals, and in some ways it still fulfills that role. But the military is falling disgustingly short in gender equality. We can't change being females, nor can even the butchest girl hide that she is a woman. Gender is an issue. Ignoring it is stupid, and the attitude of "we are all the same" has reached its pinnacle. It still hasn't penetrated all of the prejudices.

So I like a little blush on my cheeks and a little heel in my soles. Those are personal choices that don't make me incompetent. Now that I'm out of the military, my fits of fashion are even more sacred. I relish getting up in the morning for work and being able to decide between my Chloe boots or my Marc Jacob pumps. I don't dress inappropriately or in any way unprofessionally, but I dress like a woman, an attractive one. Why does that still translate to me being silly?

In uniform with my hair in a bun, pants up to my neck and a collar choking me, I felt imprisoned. I could be strong, but not attractive (why can't we be both?). I would never be viewed as normal like my sorority sister walking down the hall in civilian clothes next to me. I knew it was a condition of my service, and my solution isn't changing the military uniform (though it could seriously use an update). We should instead amend how we view femininity. In everyday life women are pressured to keep up with the celebrity Joneses who flaunt their womanly wiles in often-gratuitous ways. But a woman in the military can expect a more difficult experience if she so much coats her toenails with polish.

So the next time you see a girl walking down the street in Rock & Republic jeans and Miu Miu wedges, don't judge her so quickly as a frivolous girl who just spends hours poring over magazines. She may be that girl, but she may also have spent an equal amount of time convoying across the desert in a flak jacket with an M-16, all the more grateful for her chance to show off her curves and her pedicure because of it.

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Posted by: talkville on Jun 18, 2007 1:12 AM   
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Forming judgments about "life-style" choices of any individual is a difficult and indeed almost dangerous endeavor. However, it may be worth mentioning that, in 'choosing' the high-heels, an awareness may be in order as to the specific origin of those same high-heels. Their price contains labor (likely 1/2 cent's worth - and a lot of miserable conditions); the rest is shared by the multiple, fractionated, distributors, middle-men, brokers, etc.. The image of what constitutes 'beauty' or 'femininity' or other such attributes is also a carefully crafted production. All that can really be asked of an individual "consumer", especially in this particular society we live in, is just a bit of awareness and an eye for justice and equity as well as other aspects of the "consumer choice". Sometimes nothing's wrong, but everything's wrong. It's not about feeling guilt or shame, it's about being human.

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JDBishop5
Posted by: JDBishop5 on Jun 18, 2007 3:27 AM   
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> However, it is a symptom of what's wrong with attitudes toward what is feminine. What's so wrong with high heels and makeup? Putting yourself together attractively is an exhibition of your self-respect and confidence. <

The above quoted passage says it all for me. As a father of five girls who are strong independent people, I can’t imagine myself surviving asking the same question of them. They are beautiful, intelligent, graduates of excellent universities and I’m sure they would want to know why a woman had to submit to “high heels and makeup” to be feminine. Who in hell made that rule?

Stand and look at the women’s section of any magazine rack and you will be convinced of something that marketers believe to be true, and they make more money than I do. They think American women are idiots.

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» RE: JDBishop5 Posted by: g
» RE: JDBishop5 Posted by: VannaLaRoche
» Not a bad point Posted by: kepstein7777
Women are not equal in the military.
Posted by: White middleclass male on Jun 18, 2007 3:44 AM   
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If a women wants to be equal to her male counterpart, I want to see a shaved head. That has always pissed me off the most about the female soldiers who ran around claiming to be the equal of the males.

Next I want to see equal PT (physical training) standards. In the Army, males and females are graded on 2 separate scales. Some people argue that because females are not in the combat arms branches, they do not need to have the same level of physical fitness as the men. I agree that an Infantry Ranger needs to be tougher than a Med Corp nurse. If the army wanted PT standards based on the job you do, fine. But since women do less, I consider them less.

My third issue is with women being able to leave the army or combat if they get pregnant. I know the army does not let them leave to “support families”, but because a mother in the military is more of a liability than an asset. There are a number of cases where a female soldier got knocked up in Iraq, got sent home and then aborted the fetus. I'd love to get sent back to the states and get to abort an unwanted kid. It would be like Christmas, My birthday and a blow job all rolled up into one.

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» Uh, right Posted by: ateo
» RE: Uh, right Posted by: Arianna
Why not heels and makeup? Because...
Posted by: astockton on Jun 18, 2007 3:47 AM   
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Men present their faces to the world every day without first slathering them with overpriced, possibly allergenic chemicals because their faces are good enough as is. Why aren't women's? And high heels are a recipe for never-ending backaches. I stopped wearing heels about six years ago and haven't had a backache since.

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» Men's faces good enough as is? Posted by: Illiteratilumen
» Continental Airlines case Posted by: Libertine
Sexy is good – off duty.
Posted by: HughScott on Jun 18, 2007 3:41 AM   
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Many years ago, when I was in USAF preflight school at Lackland AFB, San Antonio, Texas, waiting for assignment to pilot training, I was given the task of teaching new 2nd lieutenant WAF officers (nurses) how to march on the drill field.

Being single at the time and a second looie, too, I also dated one of the ladies. I had no problem separating her military role from her feminine one. As far as I was concerned, the sexier she was off duty, the better. I don’t know what a “Club Monaco pencil skirt” is, but if it makes an off-duty military women more attractive, that’s great!

Another thing I learned as a young man: never judge books by their covers.

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Feminine?
Posted by: emgscot51 on Jun 18, 2007 3:50 AM   
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What exactly is it about wearing high heels and make-up that makes a woman "feminine"? I feel pretty good about myself in flats and no make-up. Wearing high heels and make-up would not make me feel more feminine. I've tried and all I felt was uncomfortable.

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"Individual Choices, Collective Harms"
Posted by: frosty86 on Jun 18, 2007 4:21 AM   
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Let me first preface this by saying that I place the ultimate responsibility on patriarchy, the men who tell their partners they need to wear makeup and heels, and advertisers and executives who refuse to show a woman on tv or a magazine cover without tons of makeup and computer touchups...

Wearing high heels has been shown to be unhealthy for one's back and one's knees. It forces the back into an uncomfortable and unhealthy position. But beyond that, women are taught early on that they're supposed to wear makeup and heels. The pressure to do so is enormous and we get it everywhere. The message is that they're never fine the way they are and the way they look matters more than anything else. The message is: You better be tall and skinny so put on a pair of heels. And your face is imperfect so you'd better cover it up so you can conform to some standard of beauty.

I've heard some women say they like wearing makeup and heels because it makes them feel empowered but I will argue that this is a false sense of power. She may get compliments on how she looks and men may look at her but the makeup and heels won't stop her from job discrimination. It won't stop men from sexually assaulting her and it won't ensure that she has reproductive rights. What it will do is reinforce that women should cover their faces which are always imperfect and that they should wear uncomfortable, unhealthy shoes just to look 'sexy' (the male gaze). When women's feet in China bound their feet, we called this 'patriarchal' and 'abuse' but somehow heels are much different. Alright, maybe we aren't breaking the foot but we're still asking women to wear oppressive footwear which slows them down and can cause them to sprain/fracture their ankles if they aren't careful.

Perhaps we ask women to wear heels because it will slow them down and hence make it easier for men to attack and assault them...ever thought about it?

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» No doubt... Posted by: mjabele
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» Nevertheless... Posted by: mjabele
» RE: Nevertheless... Posted by: frosty86
» Proves my point Posted by: H_H
» RE: Proves my point Posted by: frosty86
» RE: Proves my point Posted by: Falconfira
» RE: No doubt... Posted by: MAD
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» a couple things... Posted by: frosty86
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» RE: a couple things... Posted by: frosty86
» RE: a couple things... Posted by: VannaLaRoche
» Heels make women easier to catch? Posted by: kepstein7777
Why choose military service if fashion is so important to you?
Posted by: Juniper on Jun 18, 2007 4:28 AM   
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If high heels and makeup are so necessary for you, why choose military service and then expect them to change the system for you? War is not about fashion statements. The dress code is there for practical reasons.

I am a woman who has had non-traditional jobs, and it is hard enough to be taken seriously and judged on the merits of my work, without asking for special priveleges. I agree with the poster who suggested keeping the heels and makeup for off-duty hours, if you must wear them.

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Shame on AlterNet!
Posted by: heid on Jun 18, 2007 5:30 AM   
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What kind of nonsense is this? Equating femininity with high heels and makeup, the first a torture device that destroys feet and backs, and the second an implication that a woman can never be acceptable as she is, but must forever feel inadequate, slathering layers of health-destroying crap on her face.

Worse, though, is AlterNet's giving space to such a female, who has been so thoroughly cowed by this patriarchal society that she equates femininity with torture and inadequacy.

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» hmm... could be a PODIATRIST conspiracy? Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
» Makeup Posted by: kepstein7777
» RE: Makeup Posted by: Libertine
Ugh
Posted by: H_H on Jun 18, 2007 5:56 AM   
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Women in the military are expected to suppress as many of their feminine qualities as possible -- as if that will make them more competent.

Clearly showing that the author hasn't a single clue what the military is supposed to be about.

Hate to break it to you, but the Army really isn't the best place to show-off your Gucci heels.

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» Not what she was saying. Posted by: MatthewSavage
Heels and M16?
Posted by: g on Jun 18, 2007 6:18 AM   
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"So the next time you see a girl walking down the street in Rock & Republic jeans and Miu Miu wedges, don't judge her so quickly as a frivolous girl who just spends hours poring over magazines. She may be that girl, but she may also have spent an equal amount of time convoying across the desert in a flak jacket with an M-16"
And who says that being a silly person brainwashed by Cosmo and carrying an M16 are mutually exclusive? One can easily do both, as clearly seen here.
I am sorry, but a woman who thinks that wearing Miu Miu, or Payless Shoes, heels is a necessary component of femininity is not a competent intelligent woman. And a woman who thinks that the military should let her parade in the abovementioned attire is even less competent and intelligent. There is plenty of evidence that heels damage your spine. You want to be in the military, you have to accept that the dress code is there for a reason.

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RaW
Posted by: RaW on Jun 18, 2007 6:30 AM   
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" For some reason, I had to admit, when I put on that unflattering uniform and forfeited my feminine fashion, I became more competent as a Naval officer." Well there you are.
In what sport - an area where competence is everything - do females wear heels or care for makeup? Tennis? Skiing? Volleyball? Surfing? Basketball? How do they wear their hair? Short or in a bun, or braided.
Other than spending hours buried in a magazine, how do you learn about Charles David or David Charles? That's time not spent learning a trade or making connections likely to advance you at work, maybe above the 'glass ceiling.'
Gee, your neck feels constricted in a collar? Try wearing a tie, with an adam's apple.
The world judges women so harshly. As opposed to men, of course. The rules for men to be judged competent at an interview include closed collar and tie, no cologne, no jewelry except a plain gold wedding band, clipped and uncolored nails, short hair no exceptions, no makeup, serious glasses, "shoes" (not pumps or wedges) - oh, and "pants," cuffs optional.
Look: Femininity isn't the same as fashion. It isn't the same as girly, or sexy. The military isn't about femininity. And competence isn't about femininity (or masculinity). When I see a guy touring the plant in a suit, I know he's not ready to run any machines. When I see a guy with spiky glistening hair, "fun" glasses, earring, bracelet, and platforms, I wonder how self-absorbed he is. Why? Because it IS silly. I'm sure he's fun at parties, every night. The glass ceiling will work against him too.
I love my women curvy, subtly aromatic, with long wavy hair - for romance. Am I coming close to blaming the victim? Well pardon me, but if you obsess about your flashy lure, and go trolling, you might get hit on.

And attention AlterNet: This is becoming tiresome. "Waaah! It's the patriarchy!" Want to see what ultimate competence looks like? Amy Goodman. She even wears skirts.

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Without even reading the article...
Posted by: Aussie Kim on Jun 18, 2007 6:49 AM   
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"Why do so many people still think that dressing femininely translates into being silly?"

Because feminine outifts are rarely, if ever, practical and sensible. that's why men don't wear them.

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» Biggest insult for women Posted by: suprmark
» Good point n/t Posted by: ateo
» "Button covers" Posted by: Libertine
If you feel wrong wear a mask?
Posted by: scott balogh on Jun 18, 2007 7:23 AM   
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Why should a woman wear a mask in order to feel feminine? Is it that she feels inadequate or masculine without makeup? I have no problem recognizing a womans feminine beauty without face covering. I have no difficulty respecting a woman without a mask. To the contrary, she gets my respect and attention more as her personage is presented without "enhancement". A persons beauty or sexuality is projected by who they are inside not how they correct what they feel are flaws in their bodies. Same goes for men and the notion that they must "beef up" or swagger around with a five day shadow on their cheeks.

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Is the article a spoof? A hoax?
Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on Jun 18, 2007 8:04 AM   
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The author says so little about her actual service. Was she ever in the Navy at all? It's all so hard to believe.

Even if it's for real, why did AlterNet want to reprint such a blatantly anti-feminist story? The whole thing is pretty disturbing.

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Sad Producrt of Sexist Culture
Posted by: DrJo on Jun 18, 2007 8:17 AM   
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I hate to be judgmental, but this is the most inane article I think I've ever seen in AlterNet. As other responders have capably done, I can't help but turn the question on its head - "Why must a women slather stuff on her face and wear crippling heels to be viewed as feminine?" I don't see men going through those sorts of machinations to be appealing to the opposite sex. Moreover, those in the military are there to do a very important, stressful job that requires concentration, teamwork, and a de-emphasis on sex appeal, whether masculine or feminine. If the author has a problem with that, she can rejoin the civilian culture where she can indulge in her sexist views of what a woman should look like to her heart's content.

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» Male makeup Posted by: MartianBachelor
» RE: Male makeup Posted by: Libertine
An all-natural serving female soldier is hotter than a make-up queen
Posted by: Bobsays on Jun 18, 2007 8:48 AM   
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I know, I served in the army and I also through work have been on bases around the world and met stunning female soldiers. When they aren't driving a desk, they beat any woman in the civilian world for being healthy and having that natural glow. It is a shame that some can't see this. I remember one woman from the airborne - wait, I shall snap back into reality.

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mini-skirts on a starship??? SPOCK!!!
Posted by: Ghoulman on Jun 18, 2007 10:50 AM   
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This is so funny, Americans really do live in the past (because they don't remember it, one supposes).

Today, people laugh at the cheezy mini-skirts from Star Trek as being sexist silliness from a show made over 40 years ago. However, kids today forget that Star Trek was on NBC from 1966 to 1968, the very time feminism was making a mark on American culture.

The mini-skirt was a symbol of sexual freedom for women. At the time, if a woman was caught with less than pearls, pumps, and a knee skirt on she was a whore. A WHORE! Ahem, yea, well, the point is... Americans still can't deal with women and sex. And considering the fact that women serving in the US military TODAY can look forward, statistically, to being raped at least once, well, ... well, if someone can explain to me why military culture in the USA has devolved to the level of Israeli border patrols, I'd like to hear it.

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» A Bit of a Correction Posted by: Libertine
NOTHING WRONG IF YOU'RE A FEMALE BUT CROSS DRESSING????
Posted by: poppop_schell on Jun 18, 2007 11:08 AM   
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I happen to think women are at their peak of female physical beauty when they dress as women rather than trying to copy us slovenly men. (grin)

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What is this article trying to say?!
Posted by: Cruella on Jun 18, 2007 11:13 AM   
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It's just rubbish. I know loads of women who don't like dressing up, and loads more who love it but are easily able to resrict their be-corsetted hours to outside of work hours. There are some jobs that are better done in practical clothes, guys in the army don't generally wear crisply pressed collars and cuff-links. Other jobs need you to dress smartly - business jobs or service industry jobs where business people hang out. Personally as a stand-up comic I'm expected to be dressed up every time I go to work and I find it a right drag, but it's not going to make me join the army. And why is it always women who's what-to-wear what-do-i-look-like crises are considered newsworthy - my partner (also a comic) is just as often running round the house going "do you think i need a shirt or will a t-shirt be ok" as i am having any sort of issue with clothes...

More about my lifestyle and views on things on my blog.

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It has to do with the psychology of men
Posted by: ateo on Jun 18, 2007 11:30 AM   
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The more attractive a female leader/supervisor is the less respected she will be among her male troops for anything other than how much they want to have sex with her. The same goes for her superiors. There are already many men who do not respect female leadership regardless of who the woman is and her experience/knowledge relative to the man's.

Not that this is necessarily a bad thing for the woman's career prospects. In the office area where I work (Arlington) it seems there is an agreement not to hire unattractive young women. I'm sure the fresh college graduates who played soccer and ran cross country in college, driving the BMW their daddy just bought them for graduation have a better shot at these jobs than the single mother who worked her way through college and didn't have time to focus on staying fit or the money to buy Gucci. Is it fair? Oh hell no, but that's life. People judge you based on your appearances. That's the central tenant of the military, "APPEARANCES ARE EVERYTHING."

The judgment that males make on an attractive woman wearing make up and "flattering" clothing is that she is looking for sex or at least remotely within the realm of women that they might be able to have sex with. Again, you have to understand the psychology of the male animal. This is not the judgment that the military wants either subordinates or superiors making on their female troops.

Funny that the author laments the inability for female troops to dress "sexily" (basically) then launches into some statistics about rape and sexual assault among women in the military. How much higher would it be if instead of wearing BDU's and antiquated dress uniforms it was halter tops and mini-skirts? Much higher is the answer. Women are already afraid to leave their tent at night in deployed locations - not because of the enemy - but because male solders in the U.S. military will rape them.

Generally if you get a military guy who has been around for 10 or 15 years and ask him what he thinks of women in the military he will say they don't belong there, they cause trouble and gossip, they create a paranoid environment where people are afraid to tell jokes, and that the military would be better off without them. That is the pattern I saw repeated again and again. There is a great deal of truth to that. Any time you introduce a woman to a group of heterosexual males the chances that one or more of those males will be trying to have sex with her is somewhere around 100 percent. This means impartiality and the merit based system begin to fall apart.

You can be sexy on your time honey, that isn't what Uncle Sam is paying you for. Is that the true motivation behind the author's problems? She couldn't be "sexy enough" in the military? Many women join the military to "bag a husband." Her chances are pretty good considering even the Air Force is 80 percent male. It's simply a question of supply and demand and it's the extreme opposite of what is seen on many college campuses these days (where women out number the men slightly). Even an ugly guy would do alright in an environment that is 80% women - same goes for a mediocre female in an 80% male environment.

This whole article is ridiculous by the way. The very idea behind a uniform is to bring UNIFORMITY. That means the 40 year old overweight female NCO with 3 kids can't wear a sexy uniform that the 22 year old fit 2LT would want to wear. If you start letting people wear whatever the hell then are you even a military organization at that point? I know the conformity required in the military can be difficult for some people to adapt to, that's one reason I got out.

But don't come up with these crazy ideas that my female base commander should be walking around like this:
New female uniform?

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lukehawk
Posted by: lukehawk on Jun 18, 2007 12:17 PM   
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This is ridiculous. Females in the military can't wear makeup for the same reason men cant have facial hair, or earrings, or long hair. Its the military. You're not there to "dress to impress," or to be "pretty." One of the greatest parts of being in the military is this exact lack of individualism. Everyone is supposed to look the same. Its about unity. Its about selfless service. Its about SACRIFICE. No one gives a shit if you dont like the outfit, put it on for the same reason you do anything else in the military-because someone more knowledgeable, more important, and frankly more worthy told you to. Just do it and shut the f--k up!
This is my main problem with women in the military and this whole womens lib thing. Apparently you don't want to join the military, you want to join the girl scouts. To say you can do anything a man can in the military implies you can and WILL do whatever the f--k you are told. I understand reasonable change. The military should have womens bathrooms, be understanding of pregnancy and other female medical issues, but makeup is a luxury. In some sense the military is great due to the way it forces you to truly recognize luxury, and the way it teaches you to live without and appreciate luxury.

And finally...
Makeup?!??! Are you serious?!?!?
Pick a fight worth fighting....

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» RE: lukehawk Posted by: MartianBachelor
Dress Code
Posted by: imcnotu on Jun 18, 2007 2:45 PM   
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Isn't the "dress" uniform for women a skirt and heels? Contradictions abound.

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YICK!!
Posted by: ankhet on Jun 18, 2007 2:54 PM   
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This article is the most annoyingly inane piece I have yet seen on this site. Its author shows all the intellectual and sociological awareness of a teenager, and not a particularly bright one at that. It completely lacks any awareness of feminist discussion and female history since the 50's. Bridget Jones Poisoning - cold cream for brains. Pathetic and contemptible. Why even discuss the quasi-points?
Do better, Alternet...or did your summer intern put this one on the page while you weren't looking?

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why do so many think ...
Posted by: beelzeblob on Jun 18, 2007 3:16 PM   
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... that wearing clothes that are designated as women's clothes makes a person feminine? i could wear a dress but it won't make me any more feminine or any less masculine (by the way i am male if that is not clear). clothing, makeup and all forms of attire are conventions that neither create nor destroy gender identity. the only value they have in this regard is the mental images we project on to them. i believe that it is personal choice that embues a particular wardrobe style with meaning. this is probably obvious but it bears repeating: clothes does not make the person; the person makes the clothes.

i suppose this doesn't sound well thought out; it was more gut reaction. i'd appreciate any polite forms of criticism or commentary.

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Mirror Self
Posted by: sweet_byrd on Jun 18, 2007 4:01 PM   
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"For some reason, I had to admit, when I put on that unflattering uniform and forfeited my feminine fashion, I became more competent as a Naval officer."

The perceptions of others are undoubtedly influenced by one's dress: as this study illustrates -- but this article seems to be proposing that our perceptions of ourselves are also influenced by our clothing -- which would seem to be illogical, though not necessarily untrue.

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Attitude
Posted by: Gisele on Jun 18, 2007 6:42 PM   
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Having spent 40 years wearing make-up and high heels, mini skirts and hot-pants, suits, dresses and whatever was required by my job at the time (one of which was modelling), I can tell you that I'm more comfortable in jeans and a t-shirt than I ever was in the "frills." I am more comfortable, but not less feminine!

Feminine, like sexy..is an attitude - it's not a look. You can wear nothing or seven layers if you like..in either case you can be as feminine and/or sexy as you like. Both are perceptions because they're projections of the "inner you," and what you project is who you are at any given moment.

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Women in the military can wear makeup
Posted by: ateo on Jun 18, 2007 8:37 PM   
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The "dress" uniform for women is indeed a skirt, heels, and they can wear makeup. Or they can wear pants instead of the skirt, it's optional.

So what is the writer actually arguing? That women in their BATTLE dress uniform can't wear heels and lather makeup on their faces?

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USAF 75-80
Posted by: karyse on Jun 18, 2007 9:31 PM   
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What a bunch of hokum. I was an outstanding aircraft mechanic, developed the speech patterns and habits of those I served with (all male). I NEVER, repeat, NEVER, had a bit of trouble because I was a women. Guys are interesting critters, they will come to respect anyone who can 1) pull their own weight, i.e. NOT demand special privilege, 2) are good at what he/she does (trust me, there were a few guys who were such horrendous mechanics, or so lazy and incompetent that it was unbelievable -- and they recieved far less respect from our compatriots than I did), 3) don't "go crying to the boss" for any slight, real or percieved, and 4) have the ability to tell anyone giving out "shyte" to "go f**&&ik yourself.

As an example: when I arrived at my first assignment there was porn everywhere. I depise porn because I think it is bad for everyone (male or female), but it was especially annoying because I was one of only three females in a group of about 80 males. However, I am a die-hard proponent of free speech and I realized early on that "crybabies" whether male or female from fellow airmen got more disrespect than just about any other kind of thing. My response? I purchased a bunch of Playgirls, spread them around the break room and put a life sized poster of a nude male (a very hot looking nude male) right outside of the chief's office door near the break room.

That morning as the guys came in for coffee I was sitting "reading" one of the magazines and was showing them all, as they came in, these cool naked guys. The shades of red on each of their faces was priceless and the embarassement was palpable. When the chief came out of his office for his coffee he was met by this naked, 6-foot (well hung) dude.

We were informed post haste that there would be a "formation" the next morning (everyone, he said, EVERYONE must attend and be in the uniform of the day at oh-seven-hundred).

The next morning we were read the riot act (everyone knew that I was responsible) and were told, "there will be no nude photographs anywhere in the hanger. Anyone who is caught with naked pictures anywhere, including in one's personal lockers, will get a letter of reprimand and a personal visit from me. Dismissed.)

I win. And because no one in particular got in trouble, no one was angry with me -- in fact, I believe I achieved a level of respect for my ingenuity in accomplishing what I wanted without getting in trouble myself, nor (just as importantly) not getting anyone else in trouble.

P.S. And I think wearing high heels is insane in any situation.

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» RE: USAF 75-80 Posted by: fork
» RE: USAF 75-80 Posted by: Einherjar
Oh my god!
Posted by: icha on Jun 18, 2007 11:38 PM   
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How come so many people reading articles on alternet get hung up on the first sentence they see that gets them all in a tizzy and then fail to comprehend the rest of the article, and then post about a tiny detail that was not important in the article??? haven't we all taken those tests in school where you're supposed to figure out the main idea of a written passage? So people are saying that because SHE [the author] feels more feminine, in other words, more like herself when she's wearing makeup and high heels, she's anti-feminist and shouldn't be posted on alternet? I think that a cornerstone of feminist thought is that women should be allowed the full range of personal expression that is allowed to men - although men tend to be stifled when it comes to being in touch with their emotions, as a generality. The idea is NOT to come up with a preconceived personality that feminists must adopt and then ridicule and shun them if they don't adopt it. It's called self-determination. As far as using the military to illustrate her example, good grief, she's talking about how SHE feels, and posing questions that don't have simple answers. She's not trying tell anyone that heels and makeup are a requirement for being feminine.

The bigger issues that this article illustrates are things like: the military is based on an all-male model. Isn't it logical to think that in any forum there might be particular strengths that women and men have that don't necessitate making everyone into MEN?? Why is it necessary to turn everyone into identical male robots and to totally suppress the real feminine? There was an article about this a while back on Alternet, how our society suppresses the feminine, which doesn't have to do with the sex of a person, but it's a part of everyone that we tend to suppress and ridicule and treat as silly. Sure, if the goal is to stomp the hell out of a place, maybe the current model is the best one. but there might be a more productive way to go about foreign relations.

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is this a joke?
Posted by: cbishopp on Jun 19, 2007 12:05 AM   
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I think the intention of the military is to reduce individuality so as to more easily control (or in essence force) people to throw themselves in harms way for the benefit of others. This is part of the reason for having uniforms in the first place.
Though a noble cause and a noble gesture, our modern military is now less concerned with defense and more concerned with abusing other nations for the benefit of only a very small group of people. Not that this is what our soldiers want.
The military is still a necessary tool but it is being abused by both sides. The radical right wingers use the lives of your sons and daughters for their own benefit and the leftist liberals pick it apart as an organization that promotes only violence, sexism, and discord, but both are concerned only with their own agenda. In the end the result is a total breakdown of morale and a slow dismanteling of our national defense which is based not on weapons but on people. In a perfect world we would all get along and no military would be necessary but this is not the case. We should be apologizing to all those soldiers...male, female, gay or straight as they have all made great sacrifices for us and all we do is piss and moan about high heels and oil prices.

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Cosmo-Girl feminism is the same as "creation science"
Posted by: susanhathaway on Jun 19, 2007 2:54 PM   
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Sorry, don't ask me to believe that anyone who insists on referring to grown women as "girls" is a feminist.

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