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War on Iraq

Going AWOL vs. Going to Iraq

By Mary Wiltenburg, Der Spiegel. Posted March 26, 2007.


As criticism of the Iraq war grows at home, some US soldiers abroad increasingly are rejecting Bush's mission. On military bases across Germany, many are now seeking a way out through desertion or early discharge.
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Editor's Note:

American and British soldiers are increasingly taking drastic action to avoid deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan. As recently reported in the press, the Pentagon has "revised" the number of military desertions in 2006 upward to 3,196 active-duty soldiers -- 853 more than the Pentagon previously announced. And in a article released today, the British Independent newspaper reports that the UK Ministry of Defense "estimates there have been 10,000 AWOL incidents since the invasion of Iraq in 2003 and 1,100 servicemen are currently 'on the run' from the Army." The article excerpted below, from the German magazine Der Spiegel, illustrates the difficult alternatives that soldiers who don't want to be deployed are facing.

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US Soldiers Against Iraq War Seeking Way Out
Casualties of Conscience
by Mary Wiltenburg

When he goes underground, he won't tell his mom. "John," a rangy young soldier with arresting eyebrows, has planned each step carefully. He will spend his leave from an Army base in Germany at home in the northeastern United States, snowboarding, visiting friends, and hanging out with his teenage siblings. Then he'll disappear. When the military police call his mother and stepfather, the hard-line Bush supporters will be able to say honestly that they don't know where their son is.

Shortly before his return to the States, John let Der Spiegel in on his plan over cocoa and ham sandwiches in a Berlin cafe. He is one of a growing number of American service members now going AWOL (absent without leave) from units stationed overseas. Though the US Department of Defense does not keep figures on such cases, a strong indication of their frequency is the number who receive "Chapter 11" discharges through Fort Sill, Oklahoma, and Fort Knox, Kentucky, the main processing centers for those who go missing overseas and turn themselves in, or are arrested, back home.

Between October 2002 and September 2005, the two made an annual average of 1,546 such discharges. Last year the number grew to 1,988, or more than five per day. John didn't start out a quitter. When he joined the military, he loved the idea of seeing the world. Family members were thrilled by his choice. His stepfather works for an oil company, his uncle for a weapons manufacturer. In training, though, he had serious qualms. From inside, the Army struck John as brutal, controlling, "like a slavery contract."

Iraq, his first war zone, did nothing to quiet his doubts. The communications specialist was sent to a base near Baghdad to repair a phone and Internet hookup that allowed communication between US facilities. John found himself holding a faulty fiberoptic cable labeled "Abu Ghraib." "I really felt like part of something bad at that point," he says. "I didn't directly have blood on my hands, but I was part of it."

Officially, punishment for military desertion can range from an "other than honorable" discharge -- a bureaucratic slap on the wrist that may involve a cut in benefits -- to death by firing squad. In practice, many soldiers who go AWOL overseas follow the advice of the Army's deserter hotline and quietly turn themselves in to Ft. Sill or Ft. Knox. Ft. Knox spokeswoman Gini Sinclair says most of the 14,000-plus troops who have been processed through the two centers since the invasion of Afghanistan were discharged within two weeks.

Court-martial in Germany

But there are no guarantees. Deserters can also fare like Agustin Aguayo. For three years the Army medic has struggled to be recognized as a "conscientious objector" (CO), someone whose beliefs prevent him from taking part in war. In the meantime, the Mexican American spent a year treating broken comrades and bloody civilians in Saddam Hussein's home town of Tikrit -- without a loaded weapon, even on dangerous patrols. Now Aguayo, 35, sits in a military prison; on March 6 he will stand before a court-martial in Würzburg. His case comes at a time when American public opinion has turned sharply against the war. President George W. Bush's call to send 21,500 more troops to Iraq is not only providing ammunition to his political opponents; it is fueling doubts among those doing the fighting.


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To Be Expected
Posted by: ZPaul on Mar 26, 2007 2:39 AM   
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I´m certainly not surprised. Thankfully, a good number of them are not stupid and know what awaits them. But what else can you expect when you ABUSE the armed forces as much as the Bush Administration has?

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» oh my god, kbest is a woman? Posted by: mountainsrock
» Don't feed the trolls. Posted by: freebie_grabber
In Defence of Desrertion
Posted by: Tom Degan on Mar 26, 2007 3:00 AM   
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This one is pretty much a no-brainer: one of the first rules of modern warfare is that a soldier - whether he or she be a buck private or a five star general - are not, under any circumstances, to partake in war crimes. That's what you call Geneva Convention 101. Officers can resign their commisions if the will and actions of their civilian commanders are at odds with their own personal moral compass. Regular GIs do not have that luxary. The fact that the disgusting, murderous, half-witted little piece of shit sitting in the oval office is a war criminal there can be no denying. It is the duty of all thinking Americans to assist any deserting soldier in his or her flight. It's a simple as that.

Pray for peace.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY.
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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» RE: No Defence for Desrertion Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive
» RE: No Defence for Desrertion Posted by: particle
» RE: No Defence for Desrertion Posted by: mountainmama
» RE: In Defence of Desrertion Posted by: Conservasaurus
No honor in serving.
Posted by: ErHoff on Mar 26, 2007 4:57 AM   
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There is no honor in serving in the military when you have leaders, like Bush, who think that defense is something that is not desirable, because if you 'stand down defense' you can stir up fear, then the people will do your bidding, no matter how nefarious.

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F*** the military. Make sure any young person feels that way.
Posted by: ateo on Mar 26, 2007 5:21 AM   
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I wish I had known a little more before I signed up because that could have prevented me from joining up with an organization whose only redeeming quality (sarcasm) is the efficiency with which it kills the enemy.

The general attitude among the military policy makers these days is that if you don't want to be there then they don't want you there. It's actually relatively easy to get out of the military these days. The first time I ever saw my last base commander (1 star) was at a "welcome" program for new comers. He said, "supervisors, if you've got a troop who isn't pulling his weight or doesn't want to be here, let me know, I'll sign off on the paper work to get rid of them. We've got no room on this team for those who don't want to be here." I say relatively easy to get out because it's still very difficult! Desertion is one route but I went a different direction in taking my freedom back (it's ludicrous that these enlistment "contracts" are enforceable legal documents, I thought indentured servitude was a thing of the past).

Is it possible for a person to willingly give up their freedom? Sure. Should it be allowed in the U.S. a nation claiming to be free? Absolutely not. I fully understand the need for some way to keep soldiers on the battlefield when things get tough but I think military recruitment methods are largely to blame.

There are people in this world who fit perfectly into the military system. They are the ones who don't even sign up for the G.I. Bill because they have no interest in education or life past the military - they want to be "warriors" in the traditional sense. However, these are few and far between so the military markets itself to young people as a way to pay for college (not really, it doesn't even cover tuition at a state school in the Mid-Atlantic region and most aren't allowed to take classes in their off duty time because their superiors either directly tell them "no" or guilt them into not taking them). Who do you recruit with these lures? Kids who just want to go to college but aren't able to do so any other way because of how the higher education system in the U.S. works (tuition raising 15% a year vs. 2-3% for salaries for one thing). In virtually every other modern nation those kids would get their education if not for free, at least without having to give up 4 years of their life to grease the gears of the military machine with their blood, sweat, and tears.

Education is pushed on young Americans these days through the schools and media as the only route to success in life. Many of the people who join the military would not do so if they could get an education any other way. Is it possible to deliver pizzas 6 hours a day and work at wal-mart 6 hours a day and go to school at the same time while taking on 50 grand in student loans? Sure, but not everyone is able to sustain that life style for 4 years. Many of the people I talked to while joining the military had tried that life style for a couple of years and finally given up and enlisted.

So the system is set up to push fresh young meat into the military system year by year and what can be done?

"The gameboard is rigged against us and so we are constrained to kick over the gaming table itself..." -James Mason in some movie

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» curious Posted by: hellofriends
» RE: Interestingly... Posted by: ateo
» RE: Interestingly... Posted by: pingoo
» RE: Complicated Posted by: ateo
Whatever it takes, get out of the military but don't stop serving America.
Posted by: HughScott on Mar 26, 2007 5:44 AM   
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I'm a Vietnam vet who left the Air Force in 1966 and became a patriotic war protestor. Now, 40 years later, I'm at it again -- with more vigor than ever.

It's time for GIs to do the same thing. Whatever it takes, get out of Bush's mercenary army but don't stop serving America. Do what I'm doing. Join MoveOn.org, become an activist and help end the Iraq insanity while we still have freedom of speech.

Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with ihardcopy proof of White House corruption.

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"WHAT IF YOU HAD A WAR AND NO ONE SHOWED UP?"
Posted by: Prophit on Mar 26, 2007 6:00 AM   
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That is the cry for all to hear. Encourage everyone to refuse to take the oath at the time of induction. That is how you avoid the "indentured servitude" section of the constitution. You have to do all they request but when its time to TAKE THE STEP FORWARD to take the oath, volunteering, you refuse and leave.

This is not a war to protect and defend America, its a war to obtain the oil fields and banks and control currency of Iraq. We are serving corporate masters and not the United States of America. Its time to have everyone refuse to fight. Without these soldiers there can be no war.

Those who have deserted or gone AWOL are hero's. Keep it up.

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» Two problems Posted by: ateo
» RE: Two problems Posted by: Krain61
Wrong Chapter
Posted by: BostonRed on Mar 26, 2007 7:08 AM   
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Actually, I think you are referring to Chapter 10, not Chapter 11, discharges.

Chapter 11 discharges (referring to Chapter 11 of Army Regulation 635-200 which covers discharges) are for soldiers within their first 180 of service, usually meaning while attending training.

Chapter 10 discharges are ones given in lieu of a trial by court-martial, often to those who are AWOL for longer than 30 days.

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Bush was absolutely right!
Posted by: craigandrew on Mar 26, 2007 8:10 AM   
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We must either fight the enemy there, or fight the enemy here... only, they are two different enemies.

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» Yeah, right. WE are the enemy! Posted by: HughScott
» I'm not surprised in the least. Posted by: JoshuaLudd
Don't go
Posted by: boing007 on Mar 26, 2007 8:21 AM   
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03/25/07 DoD Identifies Army Casualty
Sgt. Greg N. Riewer, 30, of Frazee, Minn., died Mar. 23 in Habbaniyah, Iraq, of wounds suffered when an improvised explosive devise detonated near his HMMWV during combat operations. He was assigned to the 2nd Combined Arms Battalion.

I did not know this young man from a small town in Minnesota, but we share the same last name. He is a distant cousin from my father's side of the Riewer family tree, born in the same state as my father some eighty years ago. Torn to pieces by an IED, his tour of duty and his life suddenly came to an end in a faraway land. My condolences to his immediate family and friends. And to the young Riewers and all other American youths across the country I have just two words of advice for you:
Don't go.

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Nuremberg
Posted by: brainvib on Mar 26, 2007 10:01 AM   
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Remember the war crimes trials after WWII held at Nuremberg? The precedent established in those hearings was firm. Each and every soldier has the right, if not the duty, to ignore and/or disobey orders that are immoral or will force an immoral act. Remember Adolph Eichman, whose defense was, "I was only obeying orders". The court said "Oh no!' and hung him. By the way, the court was no left leaning tool of the knee jerk liberal bleeding heart left. It was a hard nosed US/Russian/Brit/Frech/military tribunal.

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» RE: Nuremberg Posted by: badkitty
Oh, come on!
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Mar 26, 2007 10:46 AM   
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Come on... you could just "serve" your country" by joining the national guard and get a promotion to a position you aren't qualified for flying a plane being phased out of combat operations like Bush did! After all.. if HE could do it without his family name or money, anyone can do it! Oh, wait...

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» RE: Oh, come on! Posted by: freethink7
Imagine This Scenario
Posted by: freethink7 on Mar 26, 2007 12:07 PM   
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You are a soldier sent to Iraq to fight enemy terrorists but upon arriving you realize that you are the enemy and terrorist…..that your orders are to commit mass murder on a once sovereign nation of innocent people that are living a nightmare in a war torn hell hole perpetrated by U.S.

Unfortunately, this scenario is true and playing out right now in Iraq and may be the No. 1 reason so many of our troops are coming home with so many psychological problems.

p.s. I feel compassion not only for the innocent civilians in Iraq that are suffering from militaristic U.S. warmongering, but also I feel compassion for our troops who are going into a war situation predicated on a pack of lies, manipulation and deception. Our troops were duped and lied to re: real reason for war with Iraq.

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» RE: Imagine This Scenario Posted by: badkitty
» RE: Imagine This Scenario Posted by: freethink7
Traitors...not A.W.O.L.
Posted by: justbach on Mar 26, 2007 1:02 PM   
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I can't believe the comments on this issue. As a former Marine and a African-American, I would shoot the first soldier who wouldn't fight for his country and the freedom, tears and blood that created this great land. Who cares what people think about the President, it's all politics and that doesn't have a damn thing to do with an American Soldier! I've been to Iraq as a civilian contractor and soldiers may say "Yeah, right, you went because you made lots of money!" Well, war profiteering is dead, just like a lot of civilian contractors who went to help support the American Soldier. I wonder how many of these slime-deserters would go even as a civilian. I think the answer is Hell No! They are cowards who refuse to defend their country. A soldier has no business thinking about politics and whether the war is right or not. Imagine a police officer who didn't believe in assault being against the law or smoking crack was ok since they don't bother anybody! It would be a castastrophic disaster is what it would be. When I was in Iraq I found many reasons to be there, even if you consider the mistakes that were in fact made by the President. But we got rid of a dictator and there are many more like him in the world...like in Iran for example. I am by no means idealistic or not up on the latest current events. I've been all over the world and it seems like the military is getting softer and softer in training soldiers by giving them choices. You have no CHOICE when you are given the great distinction of being a soldier for these United States of America. If the military took soldiers up to 50, I would join without hesitation. Call me Gung-Ho or whatever, but being a Black American gives me plenty of cause to criticize almost everything the U.S. does. But I've been to places that are a hell of a lot worse and I learned that with all the faults and current problems we have in this country, it's still worth dying for if neccessaryt! To run out on your comrades who are brave enough to stay the course and fight for this great country is a shame and a cowardly act. It should be labeled as TREASON! Those of you not accepting your responsibilities to us and your fellow soldiers are plain out TRAITORS!

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» RE: Traitors...not A.W.O.L. Posted by: pocomoco
» Who is the Real Traitor? Posted by: djnoll
» Who is the Real Traitor? Posted by: djnoll
» Who is the Real Traitor? Posted by: djnoll
» RE: Traitors...not A.W.O.L. Posted by: MitPot
» Join the guard or reserve Posted by: WhatNow?
» RE: Traitors...not A.W.O.L. Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» RE: Traitors...not A.W.O.L. Posted by: sdoboze
» I salute you man! Posted by: sdoboze
» justbach the coward Posted by: leafsong1
Someone call the FBI! Justbach just threatened to kill President Bush.
Posted by: HughScott on Mar 26, 2007 2:19 PM   
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Since Shrub went AWOL during the Vietnam War, I suppose he's on Justbach's psychotic hit list too.

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Justbach Suffering From Too Much Depleted Uranium
Posted by: Makan on Mar 26, 2007 5:45 PM   
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Interesting your comments about our "Great Leader", the god damn AWOL SOB. The lying bastard who through his "turd blossom", Karl Rove and the AIPAC and NEOCON infected cabal that surrounds him has created the conditions for the illegal wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
You better question authority because their best interests are the ruling elite, their friends on War(Wall) Street and Corporate Amerika.
I suggest you read the lastest book by Matthias Chang. Its called Brainwashed for War - Programmed to Kill: The Military-Industrial-Media Complex Propaganda behind the Cold War, Vietnam War & War on Terrorism.

You are as Henry Kissinger stated years ago:


"Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy."

...Henry Kissinger, quoted in "Kiss the Boys Goodbye: How the United States Betrayed Its Own POW's in Vietnam"...

Its OK to be patriotic, but not so damn blind to see that the ruling elite and their Chimp in the Monkey House are using you and all the others to do their dirty work.

Wake up buddy! The shit could hit the fan soon.

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Bill from Saginaw
Posted by: bill street on Mar 27, 2007 9:30 AM   
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Justbach and other right wingers should go watch the new documentary "Yes Sir, No Sir" before impugning the patriotism of strangers, and pouring half assed invective upon those who don't see the world through a militarist prism. The film delves into how the antiwar movement within the active duty military grew and thrived during the Vietnam era. It is little exaggeration to say that when the troops began to mutiny and turn on their own officers in the field, and some of the first actions of veterans returning stateside from overseas (like myself) was to head for the nearest peace march, even Nixon and Kissinger could see the handwriting on the wall.

When I was in the Army infantry, I was active in the American Servicemens Union. During the Reagan era, mere membership in the ASU, or advocating any form of organizational challenge resembling a trade union that might challenge the military command heirarchy, was made a federal felony.

But during the Vietnam War, while stationed near the Korean DMZ in '69-'70, guys in my unit wore black wrist bands (always visible while saluting!) on moratorium days. We had an underground printing press, and circulated antiwar petitions and so forth to send Congressional reps back home. There were even a few brothers ballsy enough to snap off a secondary salute with fingers clenched after doing the first one in conformity with the field manual.

There were risks of course. There was never a shortage of opportunity to show solidarity with the next poor grunt to be court martialed on pretext there was nothing political or vindictive about singling the outspoken out and doing things by the book. But in today's military and in today's partisan atmosphere, the legal risks of nonconformity may be greater for those in uniform. Instead of lots of coffee houses and an underground pipeline to Canada, your best bet for consistent sympathy is probably Doonesbury and the Sandbox.

But I digress. Enough macho horseshit about who's flag pole flaps the red white and blue most rigid and most proud. Nobody speaks for the troops en mass, least of all a strutting chickenhawk like Little George. As was the case in Vietnam, you know the end is coming near when the rank and file start voting, with their heats and their minds and their feet.

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» RE: Bill from Saginaw Posted by: freebie_grabber
cukidoh
Posted by: lindadedecco on Mar 27, 2007 11:19 PM   
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Last summer we had dinner with a family from Germany who talked about how many American soldiers in Germany are committing crimes to get out of going to Iraq...apparently preferring jail to hell. They said the numbers have been increasing every year of the war, and are significant. And some of the crimes are serious.

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» of course they are serious Posted by: sdoboze
Stop-Loss & other contract violations
Posted by: Jersey Devil on Mar 30, 2007 7:17 PM   
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If the Army an Marine enlistment agreements are contracts, when their Commanders extend their service beyond their enlistment commitment dates, they are effectively in breach of contract. Breach cancels the contract, and should be a ticket home. If that fails, then march right up to your commanding officer and make a homosexual attack by grabbing his balls in the heat of passion. F*@k don't tell. It is time for our soldiers to stop being cannon fodder for the Republican Party's friends and supporters.

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what they signed up for
Posted by: fedupw/bush on Apr 2, 2007 10:06 AM   
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Most, if not all ,did not sign up to go to an illlegal war for tour after tour,or Without the gear they needed, to help save their lives,or not to have enough other troops to really do what they need to get the job done !

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