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War on Iraq

Active Duty Soldiers Call for An End to the Occupation of Iraq

By Marc Cooper, TheNation.com. Posted December 18, 2006.


For first time since Vietnam, hundreds of active-duty military personnel have organized to oppose a war that they are fighting.
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For the first time since Vietnam, an organized, robust movement of active-duty US military personnel has publicly surfaced to oppose a war in which they are serving. Those involved plan to petition Congress to withdraw American troops from Iraq.

After appearing only seven weeks ago on the Internet, the Appeal for Redress, brainchild of 29-year-old Navy seaman Jonathan Hutto, has already been signed by nearly 1,000 US soldiers, sailors, Marines and airmen, including dozens of officers -- most of whom are on active duty. Not since 1969, when some 1,300 active-duty military personnel signed an open letter in the New York Times opposing the war in Vietnam, has there been such a dramatic barometer of rising military dissent.

Interviews with two dozen signers of the Appeal reveal a mix of motives for opposing the war: ideological, practical, strategic and moral. But all those interviewed agree that it is time to start withdrawing the troops. Coming from an all-volunteer military, the Appeal was called "unprecedented" by Eugene Fidell, president of the National Institute of Military Justice.

The Nation spoke with rank-and-file personnel as well as high-ranking officers -- some on the Iraqi front lines, others at domestic and offshore US military bases -- who have signed the Appeal. All of their names will be made available to Congress when the Appeal is presented in mid-January. Signers have been assured they are sending a communication to Congress protected under the Military Whistleblower Protection Act. The Pentagon is powerless to take official reprisals and has said that as long as active-duty personnel are not in uniform or on duty, they are free to express their views to Congress.

There are of course other, subtler risks involved. The military command exercises enormous power through individual reviews, promotions and assignments. But that hasn't kept a number of signers from going public with their dissent.

Navy Lieut. Cmdr. Mark Dearden of San Diego, for example, enlisted in 1997 and is still pondering the possibility of a lifetime career. "So this was a very difficult decision for me to come to. I don't take this decision lightly," he says. But after two "tough" deployments in Iraq, Dearden says signing the Appeal was not only the right thing to do but also gave him personal "closure."

"I'm expressing a right of people in the military to contact their elected representatives, and I have done nothing illegal or disrespectful," Dearden adds.

Other interviews with active-duty soldiers, sailors, Marines and airmen who have signed the Appeal for Redress reveal an array of motivations. Here are excerpts:

"Lisa" -- 20 years old, E-4, USAF, Stationed at Hickam Air Force Base, Hawaii:

I joined up two weeks after I turned 17 because I wanted to save American lives. I wanted to be a hero like any American child.

I supported the war when I joined because I thought it was justified. Only after my own research and the truth coming out did I learn how wrong I was, how -- for lack of a better word -- how brainwashed I was.

Now I know the war is illegal, unjustified and that our troops have no reason for being there.

When I saw an article about the Appeal in the Air Force Times I went online right away and signed it and have encouraged others to do the same.

"Sgt. Gary" -- 21 years old. US Army. Deployed with 20th Infantry Regiment, near Mosul, Iraq:

I joined up in 2001, still a junior in high school. I felt very patriotic at the end of my US History class. My idea of the Army was that you signed up, they gave you a rifle and you ran off into battle like in some 1950s war movie. The whole idea of boot camp never really entered my head.

I supported the war in the beginning. I bought everything Bush said about how Saddam had WMDs, how he was working with Al Qaeda, how he was a threat to America. Of course, this all turned out to be false.

This is my second tour, and as of a few days ago it's half-over. Before I deployed with my unit for the second time I already had feelings of not wanting to go. When in late September a buddy in my platoon died from a bullet in the head, I really took a long hard look at this war, this Administration, and the reasons why.

After months of research on the Internet, I came to the conclusion that this war was based on lies and deception. I started to break free of all the propaganda that the Bush Administration and the Army puts out on a daily basis.

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Posted by: rsaxto on Dec 18, 2006 12:59 AM   
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These soldiers are the finest in the US army for they are able to see the truth and know that they are in an illegal situation and a fruitless situation in Iraq and are willing to blow the whistle on this gross mistake of a war. The finest thing we can do for all US personell in Iraq is to bring them home and thus end the pointless slaughter/occupation in Iraq and allow the Iraqis to have the freedom they so richly deserve.

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Major General Smedley Darlington Butler- USMC- Retired
Posted by: mite on Dec 18, 2006 1:42 AM   
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To all my brothers and sisters in this nations military I would suggest you take the time to read these information WEb sites. "Semper-Fi"

It is fact about the action of WAR. Remember your Oath.

www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

www.whatdoesitmean.com www.furnitureforthepeople.com

Remember we support you out here, a patriot.

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Surge in US forces politically motivated
Posted by: robchapman on Dec 18, 2006 3:57 AM   
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The above article demonstrates that some of us are paying attention to and remember the various and self-contradictory statements President Bush makes about Iraq.

October 06 was the deadliest month of operations for US forces in Iraq. President Bush, campaigning for Republican candidates stated that the surge in violence was due to the insurgents trying to discourage the American people and that his policies were working and no change was needed.

Now the President has gone to into seclusion to study the war he has been waging for the past three years in order to change our war policies.

One of the ideas being floated is a counter surge in US forces.
What has changed in the military situation since October?

Clearly the problem for the President is to demonstrate that he has the political strength to control the war from the White House.

Bush got us into this and for three years has shown a marked inability to deal with the reality of the situation in Iraq. He does not deserve another chance to mess up. The American people deserve better.

Congress, the House of Representatives, should immediately stop providing supplemental funding to the war and put the war expenditures into the regular defense appropriations bill.

When Administration officials and their stooges in the Pentagon have to start coming before Congress to request funding authorization, the American people will finally begin to learn the true facts about this war.

Trusting the American people with this information will be a powerful step in devising a strategy for settling this conflict.

Until and unless the American government shows it trusts its own people and our institutions in the conduct of policy it will not have credibility as an advocate of democracy or even of fairness.

Robert Chapman
Lansing, NY

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Sir, No, Sir!
Posted by: Erik1968 on Dec 18, 2006 4:46 AM   
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If you're surprised by this article, you HAVE to see Sir!, No, Sir! It's the best documentary I've ever seen.

And you can get a free copy from Iraq Veterans Against the War if you're an active duty soldier.

I'm sorry if this sounds like an ad, but it's an incredible moving documentary about the anti-war movement among the soldiers in Vietnam. I never knew that movement existed.

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» No need to apologize... Posted by: SteveB
» RE: Sir, No, Sir! Posted by: Conservasaurus
THIS COMBAT VETERAN IS LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEW YEAR!
Posted by: kc10ken on Dec 18, 2006 5:52 AM   
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yes indeed...............

When Nancy Pelosi begins the Congressional investigations into the LIES that dragged us into Iraq it will be a refreshing new day for America and the world.

The human shitwave in Wasington masquerading as an administration that put us in Iraq WILL be held accountable because of Americans like us.

WE WILL NEVER FORGET THIS OBSCENITY AGAINST HUMANITY CALLED OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM.

Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Perle, Feith, Bolton, Rice......ALL the PNAC warmongers will be dragged kicking and screaming to the halls of justice for crimes against humanity and for using our Constitution as a door mat.

There are MILLIONS of us VERY vocal Veterans out here, like me, who have been opposed to dumbya's QUAGMIRE in Iraq since the fall of 2002 when the winds of war began blowing. We will make sure that 3000 of our compatriots did not die for nothing. THEY scream for justice America! DON'T LET THEM DOWN!

DEMAND PELOSI CONDUCT INVESTIGATIONS, PROSECUTIONS, IMPEACHMENT AND IMPRISON!

NOTHING LESS.....................

GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND EVERY SOLDIER SENT INTO HARMS WAY BY THIS SHITSTAIN ADMINISTRATION.

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GEORE BUSH, SHAME ON YOU
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Dec 18, 2006 7:21 AM   
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Bush's war did not make him a great president. That was his plan if you remember. Instead is has turned Iraq into the worse place on earth. Nation building won't work here. Almost 3 thousand of our own are dead. If those remaining in Iraq want to come home I'm all for it. Does anyone remember what they were supposed to do there in the first place? Their Commander in Chief is deeply disturbed and not fit to make decisions. Thanks, ANNA

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» RE: GEORE BUSH, SHAME ON YOU Posted by: sasquuatch55
I salute you
Posted by: outlander55 on Dec 18, 2006 7:54 AM   
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It is good to know that our men and women in uniform are not drones that do not think for themselves. I can only hope that the calls for withdrawal from people like Jack Murtha and his collegues in congress don't go unheeded.
As for impeachment of the criminal element in the White House, I can only hope that our Representitives will listen to the "people" and not care about upsetting the apple cart. Curious George Bush and Darth Cheney belong in jail. Plain and simple. If That can happen, Nancy Pelosi will finnish out the term as President and the world may be just a bit safer for us and the rest of the Earths children.
It is time that this administration stop talking to us like we are insolent children and face the music of their deceptions.
George Bush, Darth Cheney, Paul Wolfawitz, Richard Pearl , Condoleeza Rice, and their mouth pieces are all enemies of the state and should be prosecuted as such.

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I, too, salute you!
Posted by: NowYogi on Dec 18, 2006 8:30 AM   
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I was in the US Army from 1968-71. I was stationed in West Germany and slowly became educated about the insanity and immorality of Vietnam...so I applied for CO status. AND sent over a hundred letters to antiwar Congress people, groups, media, etc. Since I was a Sergeant in good standing, they didn't know what to do with me...so they sent me to Tehran, Iran, as a non-combatant setting up radio communication sites for the Shah's secret police, the Savak. I was fortunate...but I know if they tried to send me to Vietnam I would have refused, and paid the price. After all, one does have to live with ones conscience.

If there are any soldiers reading this, please do what you know to be right...cuz you have to live with yourself for the rest of your life. Be brave, have courage and practice honor. I salute you, my Brothers and Sisters!

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Don't Ask- Don't Tell
Posted by: NoPCZone on Dec 18, 2006 8:35 AM   
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What would the DoD do if thousands of troops marched into their Company Commanders and told them that they were gay? Under Don't Ask- Don't Tell they are supposed to be discharged. Maybe it's time to force the issue and strike a blow for two issues at once.

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http://articlesofimpeachment.net/
Posted by: rwa on Dec 18, 2006 8:45 AM   
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The Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR), America’s leading group of constitutional scholarship and activism, has developed a legal case for the impeachment of George W. Bush. Now, in collaboration with Melville House Books and progressives across the U.S., they are sponsoring a “National Teach-In” to share their case, what’s at stake, and what impeachment means for every American.

On this site, you can find a teach-in in your neighborhood, town, or city. Or you can sign-up to host a teach-in and bring this important and non-partisan discussion of impeachment to your home, school, church, or community center.

http://articlesofimpeachment.net/

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http://girights.objector.org/
Posted by: rwa on Dec 18, 2006 8:52 AM   
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¡Nuevo! ¡Información en español!
We are a network of nonprofit, nongovernmental organizations who provide information to servicemembers about military discharges, grievance and complaint procedures, and other civil rights.


In Alaska: call 888-554-2822 or 374-2822 in Fairbanks.
Are you stationed in Germany? Click here.
From elsewhere outside the U.S., call 510-465-1472.
Email: girights@objector.org

Whether you are in the Army, Navy, Air Force or Marines, we can help with military discharges, such as:
Delayed Entry Program (DEP)
Hardship
Conscientious Objection
Entry Level Separation
Don't Ask, Don't Tell and
Homosexual Conduct
Medical
Psychological

We can help if you are AWOL or UA.

We can help if you are experiencing hazing, harassment or discrimination, or if you have been a victim of sexual assault.


Calls to the GI Rights Hotline are always free and confidential...

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Tears
Posted by: DataDoc on Dec 18, 2006 7:58 PM   
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It brings some tears to my eyes to read the comments from soldiers: Their disillusionment at a war that seems endless. We need to bring them home. Thanks veterans and active duty soldiers for speaking out!

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Defenders of Freedom
Posted by: GVon on Dec 19, 2006 1:20 AM   
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They are indeed the finest, the best of the best, the most honorable defenders of freedom in the service. Many soldiers and war hawks talk about the military as the ones defending freedom. This is very true in times when the military is taking down ruthless dictators and ending institutions of tyranny, as our soldiers have done heroically many times in the past. But this is a different time, and the military is now in a very different situation.

The US military presence in Iraq is not a force to end tyranny. It IS the force of tyranny and injustice. Imagine a foreign military occupying your country with no goals other then domination, and you have a picture of tyranny and injustice in Iraq.

These soldiers are ideologically caught in a hard place: filled with patriotism and believing in the ideals of defending freedom, these thoughts all contradicting the reality on the ground on Iraq, the reality that their presence in Iraq is an illegal and unjust trespass.

I do not blame the soldiers for carrying out their orders. They are ideologically in a very difficult situation, and it is incredibly hard for them to really know what is the right thing to do. I'm sure they are doing what they think is right to the best of their judgment. But I still honor the soldiers, the ones who speak out against this injustice, as the finest and most honorable defenders of freedom. They have the courage and intelligence to battle injustice, even in the difficult situation where injustice is the one giving them orders.

We need more people who are actually willing to defend freedom and fight injustice, instead of those who just go through the motions of defending freedom without analyzing the true threat.

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Ages
Posted by: chomsky on Dec 19, 2006 7:14 AM   
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Anybody else notice some of the people they used in the article are pretty young and joined up post-9/11, for patriotic reasonings? And now they're denouncing the war, just over five years later?

Let's give a big hand for impressionability. Let's clap for "Lisa", for how brainwashed she was; let's applaud "Gary," who thought a gun and some bravado would be enough and for his magnificent internet research skills, because you can really trust everything on the Internet; let's give a round for Mark Mackoviak, who went into the war gung ho, but found a year later it only reinforced his views that it was wrong.

I don't give a damn about the war, really; it's a war, and they happen to be common enough. However, these people who rushed in, all on the basis of "heroism" and patriotism to their country, absolutely insult any intelligence a human can show. 'Sure, I'll willingly throw myself into the bullets of the enemy now, but only if I can have a crisis of faith about it later!' The self-preservation kicked in a bit late; if anything, this Appeal for Redress should have been voiced in 2003, when the War on Terror became affluent. Seriously: how does one fight Terror? To do so, you would have to wage war on the entire planet, across the world, in every single country, including your own.

So we have people complaining, when it should have happened three years back, and we still haven't learned anything. That's evident in the historical comparison to Vietnam; fight a losing war, realize it, complain about it. It's a cyclical event that has happened again, and nobody seems to get it. So to fuckery with the war, with these people, and to everything in correspondence. It'll end eventually, the losers will mope, and the alleged winners will write the in the godawful history books of children everywhere their own truths.

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JAHN SEZ...
Posted by: jahnmcg on Dec 19, 2006 10:28 AM   
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I SERVED WITH C. CO. 2/6 INFANTRY OUT OF BAUMHOLDER, GERMANY. AT THE TIME OF THE WAR, AND WE WERE A PART OF THE FIRST PUSH ACROSS THE BORDER, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE "LUXURY" OF QUESTIONING IF THIS WAR WAS RIGHT. WE JUST MOVED OUT. WE DIDNT EVEN HAVE THE LUXURY OF FRESH WATER FOR ALMOST 6 MONTHS. NOW THAT I AM SWEATING OUT THE REMAINDER OF MY CONTRACT UNDER I.R.R, I AM IN A DIFFERENT POSITION. I BELIEVE WE NEED TO DRASTICALLY RETHINK OUR POSITION. PERIOD. ENOUGH DEAD IS ENOUGH DEAD NO MATTER WHICH SIDE UOY ARE ON.

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unknow soldiers
Posted by: jstephano on Dec 19, 2006 11:55 AM   
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I find it interesting that all of this negative comments about being in Iraq are either signed off by just a first name, no last or no name at all. If you have complaints or disagree with the USA being in Iraq, then you should at least have the courage to sign with you full name. I have also gone onto the web site
Appeal for Redress and found it to be a web site where no one takes credit for the site, such as who does the site belong to, who are the members. All it has is an address in Washington, DC. They don't even have the courage to put their names on it.

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More on impressionable troops
Posted by: freeyoke on Dec 19, 2006 12:05 PM   
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How dumb are our soldiers? Check out how many enlisted in 2001 and REENLISTED in 2005 and now they they claim they were hoodwinked. They have access to the Internet (something I didn't have in when I joined the Army in 1992) but did little to no researching whether to join the military and examine world affairs. One soldier joined in 2004 because she couldn't get a job in a humanitarian NGO. The military isn't the Peace Corps and she seemed confused to say the least.

Also, unless the stop-loss policy has changed, a few posters thought they couldn't ETS until some far-flung date. One guy thought he had stay in the military until 2023! You stay in until your unit finishes its tour in Iraq or Afghanistan.

None of the posters has entertained the notion a quick withdrawl could have some nasty consequences but then again none of them considered the war you joined to fight may not be the one you'll fight. Soldiers don't choose the war to fight, that is a political decision made by the politicians and voters who elect them. You never know the outcome of any war and if it will spread.

I wasn't in favor of the war in Iraq on strategic grounds. You divide your enemies. Iraq and Iran stalemated in each for eight years of war (1980-1988) and were at each others' throats in peacetime as well. Bush Sr. left Saddam in power in 1991 as a Iranian counterweight. All of these factors are now forgotten by anti-war fools intent on punishing a lame duck president instead of looking at the consequences.

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Shut Up
Posted by: yerusalyim on Dec 19, 2006 12:06 PM   
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As a soldier, I'm embarrassed by these people. The overwhelming vast majority of us support the war effort and realize the worst thing we could do for American security is pull out of Iraq and let the terrorists have it.

I also take issue with soldiers being publically nonsupportive of the war. What one does and says as a private citizen is one thing, but when you attempt to organize servicemembers...and publically identify yourself as a service member and oppose a military policy of the United States you're out of line.

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» RE: Shut Up Posted by: MrAllen
Iraq: The Nobel War
Posted by: rogerg on Dec 19, 2006 12:30 PM   
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The current Iraq war is not illegal. Iraq was in repeated violation of the legal terms of
surrender that it specifically agreed in order to stave off utter and total
defeat in the first Gulf war. Congress approved the use of
force for the current war. Saddam had been killing and
murdering millions of his own innocent people for his own evil ends.
No country can legally claim the rights of national sovereignty to protect itself when it
is using that national sovereignty as a cloak to assist in the genocide of its own people. You who are in the military - those of you who
are complaining now, suck it up and do your duty, and stand proud that you are fighting on the side of the United States of America and those brave young men and women who have served there or are serving there.

USMC 64 -68
RVN 65-66, 67 -68
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Very Sad!!
Posted by: proudtoserve on Dec 19, 2006 12:46 PM   
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You know after reading these sad commentaries from a generation of people who do not stand for anything other than what do i get out of this proves this country is fast becoming a 3rd world nation, God I fear for my kids!!!

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quick points
Posted by: duece67 on Dec 19, 2006 12:46 PM   
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To help those who are thinking about entering the military or those who are in who haven't figured it out, here are some quick points to clarify some of the issues the subjects of this article seem to have:

1. The purpose of the military is to "kill people and break things." It is not some place for "lost" individuals to find themselves when they find out the world doesn't hand them their every wish.

2. If you are in the military, you very well may be called upon to "kill people and break things." Hawaii may be nice, however, don't plan on hanging out there while you "do your time" to repay Uncle Sam for your college expenses. Evidently, no one came around to ask you your opinion on the war or operations ahead of time so you have to do so now, which brings the next point...

3. Members of the military are to be "a-political" while in "view" of the public. What this means for those who are speaking out in this artcle is that you do not speak out against your military AND civilian leaders. You do not endorse politicians while you are in uniform (or identified as military), and you conduct yourselves in a professional manner. By failing to adhere to these basic concepts, you have now opened yourselves up to prosecution under the Articles of the UCMJ and the MCM. Better be familiar with them when you get called into the "old man's" office and read your rights.

4. Thank you to the active duty men and women, and to the vets. Sorry you have some naive idiots around you, 99.9% of you are the best society has to offer. I served proudly for over 20 years (AF), and I know what you are feeling.

5. I under stand if the military isn't for you, it isn't for everyone. If you re-up, SHUT UP! If you get out, thanks for you service--you worked your tail off for pay that was sub standard...

6. No doubt, the individuals in this article are part of their units 90/10 (10% of the people take up 90% of their supervisors time). Wonder how many of them are on their way out (not by choice)?

7. That's all, CARRY ON!

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What are these morons thinking?
Posted by: Porcomiale on Dec 19, 2006 12:53 PM   
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1000 signatures? Big deal. You could get more signatures on a petition like this on Okinawa in 1945. EVERYBODY deployed in a combat zone wants to go home.

If this is an example of how "unpopular" the war is with the troops on the ground, the anti-war folks have a long way to go, sorry. And to use the above posted military personnel comments as "typical?" Rich. Especially the girl who couldn't get into the "human rights" field so she JOINED THE ARMY. Pure brilliance.

Everyone who signed up for the military after September 11 knew what they were getting into, plain and simple. Get the job done, WIN THE WAR, and get home safely.

Oh, yeah...and shut your pie holes, too.

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KICK THEM OUT
Posted by: joe c on Dec 19, 2006 12:57 PM   
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I HOPE THEY KICK THEM OUT WITH DISHONORABLE DISCHARGE. TRAITORS.

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Goose Stepping
Posted by: proudtoserve on Dec 19, 2006 1:01 PM   
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Something just came to mind, just imagine trying to fight World War 2 with the likes of the crop of people posting here, I suspect we would be be doing the goose step instead.....

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» RE: Goose Stepping Posted by: joe c
I support shut up
Posted by: sd406 on Dec 19, 2006 1:12 PM   
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Those doing the complaining seem to be the Girls and the girly ones. Let me guess you support the troops and not the war get in line with all the other libs it's a broken record now. It' amazing to me I have not met one person other than news and on the internet that just HATE Bush! Well why don't you just hate the idiots that started this whole thing. Well troops my whole family support you with prayer and whatever else it takes. May the Lord protect and comfort you and give you wisdom and understanding. He his your salvation. Jesus Is Lord of Lords and King of Kings!

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Myopic left still unable to locate long missing DNC quotes...
Posted by: cheneybush2008 on Dec 19, 2006 1:25 PM   
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"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. ...without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ... " “I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." SENATOR JOHN F KERRY (D, MA), in 2003

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."SENATOR TED KENNEDY (D, MA), in 2002

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." – NANCY PELOSI, in 1998

"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." – AL GORE, in 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members .. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), in 2002

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, in 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, in 1999

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, in 1998

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." – BILL CLINTON, in 1998

You IS saying, Babsniks?
Oh well.
HILLARY HAPPENS.

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Losers
Posted by: vincem41 on Dec 19, 2006 1:27 PM   
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What a sorry bunch of losers and whiners. There is always a certain percentage who moan & pule. Some sorry-ass naval officer who had a "tough" tour in Iraq - what happened, did the wardroom run out of lobster? And the whole thing started by a navy seaman - what's up there - couldn't make 3rd class azz-wipe & and did the Chief yell at you. And an air farce chick stationed in Hawaii who joined because she couldn't get a job - what a sorry lot - kick them all out, give them BCD's, sanitize the area where they polluted it and get on with things.

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» RE: Losers Posted by: Astroboy
Very Misleading Article
Posted by: onone on Dec 19, 2006 1:31 PM   
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I usually don't frequent liberal web sites, but I was linked here from another site. This article is pitifully misleading. The article seems to emphasis that U.S. servicemen and women are turning on the administration in unprecedented numbers! Not since Vietnam have we seen this sort of thing indicates the article (Vietnam was not as bad as the liberal history tellers would have you believe, but that is another topic all together.)

The fact is that this is a miniscule number of people when compared to the number actually serving. The article says, "...nearly 1,000 US soldiers, sailors, Marines and airmen, including dozens of officers -- most of whom are on active duty." From this we can conclude two things: 1) less than 1000 have signed this thing and 2) this number includes active and reserve-type personnel. So, I will start by granting one thing. That there are 1000 people who have signed this, it makes it easier to work with round numbers. In the US services there are (not including the US Coast Guard, because that branch is not mentioned in the article,) about:

Active Army: 500,000
Army Reserve: 340,000
Army National Guard: 200,000

Marine Corps: 180,000
Marine Reserves: 40,000

Active Air Force: 350,000
Ready Reserve: 70,000
Air National Guard: 100,000
Auxiliary: 57,000

Navy: 345,000
Naval Reserve: 145,000

These numbers were retrieved from Wikipedia. I'm sure that if you reference them with the DoD you'll find them accurate.

The total number comes to (I've rounded numbers down for the sake of not overstating my point) about 2.3 million people serving our great country.

If you take the 1000 who have signed this letter as a percentage of that population this comes to .044%. That's right! forty-four hundredths of a percent. I am willing to bet that you will find about the same number of people in peace-time that have decided that they have had enough with serving and woul